Raloxifene vs. Nolvadex + Raloxifene

[memfaction]

I'm 25, I've had naturally occurred pubertal gyno for more than 5 years and I recently decided to get rid of it. I've been on Nolvadex for 12 weeks (20 mg ED) + Clomid (25 mg EOD) but there were no noticeable effects. Now I've decided to give Raloxifene a try.
I've read somewhere that a combination of Nolvadex and Raloxifene is especially strong and effective in gyno removal process. Should I combine them together or should I take Raloxifene alone? How long do you think I would need to take it to get gyno removed?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Surgery.. Look around, you can find reputable doctors that will do it for around $2000-3000 but you really have to do your homework!!

Also, you need to find someone that will do it in office under local anesthetic so you're not paying surgical center and anesthesia fees as well..

 

[Mike Oxbig]

SERMs are used to treat acute gyno reactions refractory to AAS use, they're not going to reverse gyno that's been there for years. Unfortunately, surgery is your only recourse at this point.

 

[memfaction]

But there are studies which show success for pre-pubertal gyno with raloxifene and nolvadex.

I have another question. Should I use arimidex (with raloxifene) even if my estrogen levels are normal? Should I even get estrogen tested since I'm on nolvadex + clomid right now? Won't results be unrealistic?

 

[TheSpectre]

Nolvadex for gyno reduction dose is usually 60 - 80mg/day, not 20.

My friend had moderate gyno in one nipple. Dude shot PGCL directly into it. Two doses dissolved the fat. No joke.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Nolvadex for gyno reduction dose is usually 60 - 80mg/day, not 20.

My friend had moderate gyno in one nipple. Dude shot PGCL directly into it. Two doses dissolved the fat. No joke.

Did he have any hard, fibrous tissue??

 

[TheSpectre]

Did he have any hard, fibrous tissue??

Yes, but I'll have to ask him about specific details. I know he went to a doctor about it first.

 

[memfaction]

Nolvadex for gyno reduction dose is usually 60 - 80mg/day, not 20.

My friend had moderate gyno in one nipple. Dude shot PGCL directly into it. Two doses dissolved the fat. No joke.

Is it only known as PGCL or does it have any other commercial names?

 

[TheSpectre]

Is it only known as PGCL or does it have any other commercial names?

Cloprostenol Sodium

 

[memfaction]

Thanks.

What do you guys think of 60 mg raloxifene ED + 20 mg nolvadex ED? Would that combo be even better than raloxifene alone?

 

[memfaction]

So I've been on Raloxifene for 4 weeks and so far no luck in lump reduction. However, I got tested Estradiol few days ago, here are the results: 29.65 ng/L (reference: 7.61 - 43.11). What do you think, should I get some aromasin? Would it help in combination with Raloxifene?

 

[blazinshotguns]

Surgery.. Look around, you can find reputable doctors that will do it for around $2000-3000 but you really have to do your homework!!

Also, you need to find someone that will do it in office under local anesthetic so you're not paying surgical center and anesthesia fees as well..

dude if you have insurance and you got a doc that can say a hormone issue caused your gyno the surgery is free.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Ralox is your best bet and if it doesnt work then surgery. Combining ralox and tamox will give no benefit over ralox alone.
Take the raloxifene and stick with it. Gyno reversal studies (including pre pubertal gyno studies) run for 6 months. Expect that. You arent going to see any reduction in anything in a month or so-at all.
Best of luck.

 

[memfaction]

Since raloxifene didn't help so far, I decided to combine it with 12.5 mg aromasin ED. But I've also seen recommendations for Prami. Could anyone tell me more about it? Could it acually help in my case? What short and long term side effects can I expect? Is it really worth a shot?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Exactly what Jimmy said. Raloxifene for a min of 6 months or until your current gyno is completely reversed. Nothing else compares to Raloxifene, not tamoxifen nor anything else. Also, fibrous tissue has formed a long time ago so adding an AI is a complete waste of time at this stage in your gyno development and can negatively impact your E2 levels. Ralox or the knife my friend...those are your choices at this stage.

 

[weighted chinup]

Raloxifene is a long term treatment, it will take several months to notice an improvement. You need to run it for a long time to notice an improvement.

AI's are not proven effective at reversing gyno, the old letro protocol you will often see posted is nothing more than bro science and has very little evidence backing up its effectiveness. Prami will not help reverse gyno neither.

Run the Raloxifene for a few more months depending on how long you have already run it for, if it doesn't work than there really isn't anything else short of surgery.

 

[Sinister HellFire]

Raloxifene is a long term treatment, it will take several months to notice an improvement. You need to run it for a long time to notice an improvement.

AI's are not proven effective at reversing gyno, the old letro protocol you will often see posted is nothing more than bro science and has very little evidence backing up its effectiveness. Prami will not help reverse gyno neither.

Run the Raloxifene for a few more months depending on how long you have already run it for, if it doesn't work than there really isn't anything else short of surgery.

an aromatase inhibitor plus yohimbine (topical) can help treat existing gyno and reverse it but ONLY IF IT IS A RELATIVELY MILD CASE. DHT Gel may help as well.0

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

There is no practical benefit to reducing levels of e2 systemically using an ai when you can block the effects at the site of gyno by using a serm. If your e2 levels are high you can manage them by using an ai, preferably exemestane, and use a serm concurrently like ralox to treat gyno. Crushing e2 using n ai to treat gyno is foolish especially given the fatc that it will literally take months to treat.

 

[Dr JIM]

Surgery.. Look around, you can find reputable doctors that will do it for around $2000-3000 but you really have to do your homework!!

Also, you need to find someone that will do it in office under local anesthetic so you're not paying surgical center and anesthesia fees as well..

On spot JB.

OP the problem is you have an excessive amount of breast tissue which is either overly sensitive to E-2 or not at all responsive to either TT or DHT at their base line levels.

Therefore it just does NOT matter which SERM or AI you choose bc once these drugs are discontinued, whatever physiologic advantage was observed will be lost and a gradual return to baseline will occur.

That's because neither of these drug classes result in CELLULAR DEATH (this therapy does work in many breast CA patients bc most are also receiving chemotherapy, radiation or surgery) of the etiologic underlying breast tissue.

Consequently the long term benefit of using these drugs as therapy for prepubertal gynecomastia which has NOT resolved beyond the teen years, is negligible, with surgery being the only viable alternative, IME.

It also important to understand your condition is NOT analogous to traditional AI/SERM therapy which is effective in combatting the influence of E-2 when cycling.

The fact is many, but not all, mates with "normal" breast tissue will develop gynecomastia if constantly challenged by excessive amounts of E-2 throughout an AAS cycle!

However in this instance the treatment is different bc the CAUSE is different!

Regs
Jim

 

[Cmxer32]

Decided to bring this thread back to life.

I woke up this morning with a small lump under my right nip, I deserve it bc I have not been taking my ai which I have but have never needed it being I have done 15 plus cycles before with using one with success.

I have pharm aromasin and some nolva, can a high dose of arom take care of it?