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[Maynard]

Hey all,

Ran my first cycle of Test & Reforvit-B 27 years ago. I've been off and on over the years, rarely more than 1 or 2 cycles then a break sometimes a few years. I've been on TRT+ for going on a year. I cut from 28% to sub 14% total BF over the summer. I made it down to about 10% SubQ BF per my scale, and 8.5%ish via calipers. I'm ready for my first serious bulk in years. I'll start a cycle log and get some feedback on the setup and share results. I'm currently sitting at just about 200 lbs. @ 5'9" and about 18% total BF per my scale.

Since I'm on TRT now, I'm like fuck it, blast and cruise. I've actually been at 600mg Test/week for the last 6 months or so. I'm trying to dial in a Tren E cruise dose that won't give me night sweats. Started at 400mg/week, then 200mg/week, then off til it cleared, now on 60mg/week and working my way up slowly. So far, some irritability and Tren appetite, but no sweats or crazy mood swings. I'm hoping to get to 100mg/week without night sweats. We'll see how it goes.

Considering feedlot steers get roughly 2mg/day of Tren at the higher end implant doses, I'm not sure why we think we need 300-600mg/week? With a 250mg implant dosage steers see a 15-20% weight gain utilizing the same feed over 100-150 days. In other words changing nothing. We should be able to see significant gains with lower doses while adding a caloric surplus and weight training? I would be very interested in anyone else's findings regarding lower dose Tren cruising.

Thanks!

-Maynard

 

[BoloYang2023]

Hey all,

Ran my first cycle of Test & Reforvit-B 27 years ago. I've been off and on over the years, rarely more than 1 or 2 cycles then a break sometimes a few years. I've been on TRT+ for going on a year. I cut from 28% to sub 14% total BF over the summer. I made it down to about 10% SubQ BF per my scale, and 8.5%ish via calipers. I'm ready for my first serious bulk in years. I'll start a cycle log and get some feedback on the setup and share results. I'm currently sitting at just about 200 lbs. @ 5'9" and about 18% total BF per my scale.

Since I'm on TRT now, I'm like fuck it, blast and cruise. I've actually been at 600mg Test/week for the last 6 months or so. I'm trying to dial in a Tren E cruise dose that won't give me night sweats. Started at 400mg/week, then 200mg/week, then off til it cleared, now on 60mg/week and working my way up slowly. So far, some irritability and Tren appetite, but no sweats or crazy mood swings. I'm hoping to get to 100mg/week without night sweats. We'll see how it goes.

Considering feedlot steers get roughly 2mg/day of Tren at the higher end implant doses, I'm not sure why we think we need 300-600mg/week? With a 250mg implant dosage steers see a 15-20% weight gain utilizing the same feed over 100-150 days. In other words changing nothing. We should be able to see significant gains with lower doses while adding a caloric surplus and weight training? I would be very interested in anyone else's findings regarding lower dose Tren cruising.

Thanks!

-Maynard

cruising tren huh? damn i know people here who have ran tren and guide others and lets get their inputs on this. @Type-IIx , @Vanargandar , @Mac11wildcat
input on this one id even like to hear it from you fellows as well.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

cruising tren huh? damn i know people here who have ran tren and guide others and lets get their inputs on this. @Type-IIx , @Vanargandar , @Mac11wildcat
input on this one id even like to hear it from you fellows as well.

Comparing cattle’s responses to a drug to a human’s is silly and once tren is in it’s not a cruise. Anyone using 300+ mg of tren casualty/recreationally is being reckless.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

. Anyone using 300+ mg of tren casualty/recreationally is being reckless.

That's not what my favorite influencer on Instagram said

 

[BoloYang2023]

Comparing cattle’s responses to a drug to a human’s is silly and once tren is in it’s not a cruise. Anyone using 300+ mg of tren casualty/recreationally is being reckless.

thanks for your input its highly valued for the most obvious reasons for those of us who do our research and follow the proper people with knowledge. Thanks sir!

 

[Maynard]

Comparing cattle’s responses to a drug to a human’s is silly and once tren is in it’s not a cruise. Anyone using 300+ mg of tren casualty/recreationally is being re

Comparing cattle’s responses to a drug to a human’s is silly and once tren is in it’s not a cruise. Anyone using 300+ mg of tren casualty/recreationally is being reckless.

Why is that silly? Cuz bro science??? That and I'm at 60mg/week Tren E, not 300+, as long as my bloodwork is good and I'm not experiencing night sweats and shitty sides, why is it not a cruise worthy compound at lower doses? I know of a couple of people doing exactly this. Have you tried it? Do you have any research to share? We have to use cattle data as there is no Tren data in humans available. The scientific community uses rodents to test drugs all the time. Why is a mouse a better reference for humans than a cow?

 

[Vanargandar]

cruising tren huh? damn i know people here who have ran tren and guide others and lets get their inputs on this. @Type-IIx , @Vanargandar , @Mac11wildcat
input on this one id even like to hear it from you fellows as well.

Unfortunately I can't offer much knowledge on this subject as I've never used Trenbolone, nor do I advise any of my clients use it. That being said, you aren't on a "cruise" with Tren, regardless of the dosage. The risk/reward profile for its deployment in that scenario doesn't seem worth it, IMHO. So yeah, what @Mac11wildcat said.

Why is that silly? Cuz bro science??? That and I'm at 60mg/week Tren E, not 300+, as long as my bloodwork is good and I'm not experiencing night sweats and shitty sides, why is it not a cruise worthy compound at lower doses? I know of a couple of people doing exactly this. Have you tried it? Do you have any research to share? We have to use cattle data as there is no Tren data in humans available. The scientific community uses rodents to test drugs all the time. Why is a mouse a better reference for humans than a cow?

It's silly because animal dosages are not a 1:1 when used in humans; it can be used as a reference, but the physiology (e.g. mental side effects, etc) is much different for most instances. There's a reason it's not a good idea to use human shampoo on a dog, because their skin/fur has a much different pH than that of humans, so as there are many other things that aren't always going to be applicable when comparing animal vs. human models. Also, with the very limited data we have on Tren, we can only extrapolate so much from it in a physique enhancement context, which is what I'm assuming you're using it for. However, I don't think anyone worth their salt will tell you it doesn't fucking work...

Diatribe aside, I don't see any benefit to using Tren in a cruise context, or even TRT+ context. Tren is replete with side effects, even at lower dosages (again, I can't speak from personal experience). My own belief is that, if you REALLY want to use an extra compound on top of TRT, stick to something like Primo (best) or Mast (good), hell, even Deca/NPP (not my personal choice) if you handle 19-nors well. You can even spice things up by doing a TRT+++ by pull the lever on each growth pathway, i.e. Test base + DHT + 19-nor + rHGH at lower dosages -- although at that point you're basically on a mini-blast lol. I think you'd have similar, if not better, results without the risk or sides that come along with Tren.

I think I just hinted at not going on a diatribe...oh well You do you man, if you wanna' "cruise" on Tren, do it, and don't look for the opinions of other mentally unstable grown men on the internet.

 

[Maynard]

Thanks for the useless opinions. What I asked for was experience… So, preferably someone who has actually run Tren…

Not 1:1 you say? With an 800 lb. steer, say it ain’t so… No shit Sherlock…

However, if the 800 lb. steer gains 20% more weight than an “untreated” animal on the same feed lot, I guess it makes sense that I at 1/4 of that weight definitely need 30x the dose at the low end?… Do you ever think, or just regurgitate bro science?

 

[Vanargandar]

You're right, we're wrong. Good luck dude.

EDIT: You asked a question, you got answers. If your litmus test for knowledge is experience doing [insert thing here], then there's probably a lot of people or authority figures in your life you should completely disregard, along with data, science, etc.

 

[Maynard]

You have no data, no science, and no personal experience… I’m not interested in your opinion based on nothing at all relevant to my question. I asked a very specific question regarding lower dose longer term Tren use. If you haven’t done it and don’t know anyone who has, you have nothing to offer.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Thanks for the useless opinions. What I asked for was experience… So, preferably someone who has actually run Tren…

Not 1:1 you say? With an 800 lb. steer, say it ain’t so… No shit Sherlock…

However, if the 800 lb. steer gains 20% more weight than an “untreated” animal on the same feed lot, I guess it makes sense that I at 1/4 of that weight definitely need 30x the dose at the low end?… Do you ever think, or just regurgitate bro science?

What DATA are you expecting on human use of a compound that isn’t cleared for human use? Everything is anecdotal.

Yah I’ve run plenty of tren you just don’t want an answer, you want the answer you want to hear. Becoming a norm here these days. By every standard im in a class of people who objectively have the most reason to use it and I generally avoid it most of the time. That isn’t to say you can’t, have a fucking ball for all I care. But you asked for answers and just got ones you don’t like.

Go be a cow.

 

[narta]

800lb steers need 20mg/week, you need 1/4th of that so 5mg/week should be sufficient

 

[Maynard]

What DATA are you expecting on human use of a compound that isn’t cleared for human use? Everything is anecdotal.

Yah I’ve run plenty of tren you just don’t want an answer, you want the answer you want to hear. Becoming a norm here these days. By every standard im in a class of people who objectively have the most reason to use it and I generally avoid it most of the time. That isn’t to say you can’t, have a fucking ball for all I care. But you asked for answers and just got ones you don’t like.

Go be a cow.

A. I didn't get an answer to my question...
B. You're a cunt & had nothing to say unless it was that 300mg+ is reckless?
C. Have you run Tren at lower doses to avoid the worst of the side effects (insomnia, night sweats, paranoia, etc.)? If not, sit down and shut the fuck up.

The my pussy hurts/Tren is scary bit is old. I've been running Tren for 20 years and cooked it out of cattle implants back in the day. Have you done anything other than wipe your ass for 20 years? Fucking children...

 

[Maynard]

800lb steers need 20mg/week, you need 1/4th of that so 5mg/week should be sufficient

I get you're taking the piss here... But really, has anyone ever questioned the standard 50-75mg EOD of Tren Ace? And with Enanthate and the longer half-life you can increase blood levels higher with similar doses and inject less frequently. I'll keep my cycle log updated, I'm going to 80mg of Tren this week and we'll see how that goes for a couple weeks before trying 100mg.

Despite the blowhards, I'm sure some have some interest in my results.

 

[Maynard]

What DATA are you expecting on human use of a compound that isn’t cleared for human use? Everything is anecdotal.

I don't know what DATA??? You're little mini-me butt-boy accused me of ignoring science and data because I pointed out he had absolutely nothing to offer...

You've still said nothing other than "300+ bad"...

Clearly this demonstrates your ignorance of the question at hand and your compulsion to answer anyway would be amusing if it wasn't so fucking annoying...

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

A. I didn't get an answer to my question...
B. You're a cunt & had nothing to say unless it was that 300mg+ is reckless?
C. Have you run Tren at lower doses to avoid the worst of the side effects (insomnia, night sweats, paranoia, etc.)? If not, sit down and shut the fuck up.

The my pussy hurts/Tren is scary bit is old. I've been running Tren for 20 years and cooked it out of cattle implants back in the day. Have you done anything other than wipe your ass for 20 years? Fucking children...

Screw @Mac11wildcat , He is only concerned about your health/long term damage from tren.

You got this OP, no health/research data exist! so it cannot cause damage at all! Cruise on tren broski!


You have so much more experience than us with drugs, you dont need any of our input on anything! I can see the effects of Tren already working on your brain! I am waiting for you to blow us all away

I believe in you!

 

[Maynard]

Screw @Mac11wildcat , He is only concerned about your health/long term damage from tren.

You got this OP, no health/research data exist! so it cannot cause damage at all! Cruise on tren broski!


You have so much more experience than us with drugs, you dont need any of our input on anything! I can see the effects of Tren already working on your brain! I am waiting for you to blow us all away

I believe in you!

Oh look, another cunt…

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Oh look, another cunt…

I, 100% support you! Why are you so mean to me?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

47 refusing to be told cruising on tren is a bad idea and I’M the cunt?

Gonna be as ignorant as you are, post your fucking physique or shut the fuck up with your bullshit. Have a great day.

 

[BoloYang2023]

well this isnt how i thought me taggin people who are highly knowledgeable in this would turn out. @Maynard do you understand the point of this Forum? its called a harm reduction forum... I mean this nicely maybe you shoulid go to bostin lloyds forums they dont give a fuck about health. IE bostin lloyd god rest his soul but its the truth