Reason #432987 to never read Flex

[Blue09]

This was posted on another board by someone who has not yet seen the light. I know most rags are garbage....but this is just going too far. If I was in a bookstore reading this article, I would go out of my way to burn every copy they had of it :

http://www.flexonline.com/train/6?page=1

 

[Desibaba]

That article is written by Bob Chick.He is the new athletes rep for the IFBB.He spent 10 years in the npc before he became a pro in his late 30s.

 

[Bob Smith]

That just shows why most people think BBers are a bunch of pussies.

 

[Joffa]

I laughed so many times while reading this article; I've gotta quote a couple passages.


"once you have a foundation of mass, the squat can harm your appearance."

"I do hack squats and leg presses. They're better than squats for muscling up the quads and targeting different areas, and they're safer, too"

"I can't think of a good reason to do bent barbell rows"

"For some odd reason, people take it personally if I say the bench press sucks."

"Here's another exercise I never do, and it's all because of that devil's tool - the straight bar."


Is the goal of this article to prevent bodybuilders from growing so the Pro's have less competition?

~Joffa

 

[getswoll]

The author of this article has to be a fairy. This is some of the best misinformation I've read in a while.

GS

 

[Blue09]

That just shows why most people think BBers are a bunch of pussies.

It's actually more likely that some pencil neck idiot (ghost writer) wrote this crap and attached some pro's name to it to give it more credibility. It's been known to happen in the past. Whether or not it's true, who knows. I personally would not sell my soul to have this crap printed under my name....unless of course he did write it himself in which case he's a complete moron.

 

[roadkill]

Older Bodybuilders

If you want any longevity in the gym sooner or later you have to drop the heavy compound movements. I know many former powerlifters/bodybuilders who say they're knees and shoulders are shot and regret training as heavy as they did. A few top bodybuilders like Serge Nubret, Steve Reeves, and some others were not big into compound power movements and develpoed phenominal physiques....and Bob Chick has one of the best symetrical and polished physiques in the game. Not too shabby for " fairy training" if you ask me.

 

[Grizzly]

Is that why Ed Coan and many more powerlifters than I can name are all over 40 and totallying 2k+?

 

[CyniQ]

Well. I agree on pressing behind the neck. He's also right about movements like DL's and squats being difficult for some body shapes. There are alot of compound moves that are more difficult if you're over 6'. Other than that...

 

[roadkill]

You're right Griz....

Is that why Ed Coan and many more powerlifters than I can name are all over 40 and totallying 2k+?

But by longevity I'm referring to training or should I say being able to train into your 60's and beyond. I myself am 51 and choose to use relativley light weights and few if any compound movements. At this point in my life I feel and look better than ever. As for Ed Coan and others of his age and caliber I believe that late 30's to mid 40;s is when a man will be at his all time strongest.

 

[Grizzly]

In your case, I would say that's fine. The problem with this article is that it's geared towards the under 25 y/o bodybuilder who still buys those shitty ass magazines. You start telling undersized, underfed, overdrunk frat boys that they can turn their 12.5" noodles into 14" canons without actually doing any work, then gyms are going to be full of people who don't squat, deadlift or row and stay the same size day after day after day.

......oh wait, I guess nothing would change. LOL

 

[muslhed1971]

In your case, I would say that's fine. The problem with this article is that it's geared towards the under 25 y/o bodybuilder who still buys those shitty ass magazines. You start telling undersized, underfed, overdrunk frat boys that they can turn their 12.5" noodles into 14" canons without actually doing any work, then gyms are going to be full of people who don't squat, deadlift or row and stay the same size day after day after day.

......oh wait, I guess nothing would change. LOL

Grizz I read that last sentence and was like "that's what I see today" Funny man, funny!

 

[Joffa]

If you want any longevity in the gym sooner or later you have to drop the heavy compound movements. I know many former powerlifters/bodybuilders who say they're knees and shoulders are shot and regret training as heavy as they did. A few top bodybuilders like Serge Nubret, Steve Reeves, and some others were not big into compound power movements and develpoed phenominal physiques....and Bob Chick has one of the best symetrical and polished physiques in the game. Not too shabby for " fairy training" if you ask me.

Even though I'm all for compound movements, I have to say I have seen some of what you are talking about, roadkill. There are 2 big pro's I see at my gym usually in the mornings; 1 of them I see almost everyday that I'm there and he never squats or deadlifts; rather I see him on the leg press machine and standing calf raise machine all the time. Most of the other big guys I've seen there, unless they're powerlifters most of them just use the leg machines. I'm talking guys in their 30's - 40's. Obviously, it must be working for them; these guys are huge.

~Joffa

 

[Madcow2]

This is simply proof that good training knowledge and sound programming are not an integral requirement to becoming a Pro BBer. Nutrition, structural genetics, discipline, and the genetic makeup to respond very favorably to anabolics and ancilliaries are at the core. I wonder which one of these lets them get away with poor training and allow them to reap gains from programs that wouldn't grow a 16 year old boy.

 

[MANWHORE]

Well i just had time to read it over quik but i will agree with the behind neck presses and straight bar curls .. As far as Squats .. well most people in the gym don't squat anyway. Some guys have big legs naturaly and really never need to squat.I was squating one time in the gym and i saw this guy with pretty big and cut legs so i went over and asked what else he does for his legs besides squats and he smiled and said he probably has only squated a few times in his life and that was years ago in highschool. I also notice that some guys with big .. muscle big .. legs have very weak backs and can't squat as much as they look like they can. I'm sure squats aren't needed to build decent size legs but i like squats because i think they help when trying to pick someone up and slamming them to the ground

 

[muslhed1971]

This is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone with big, muscular legs that did not build them with squats. They may have resorted to leg presses and such after building their base, but to this day the guys I have seen with big legs always squat. I just think that people want to believe that bullshit so they have an excuse not to do a hard exercise like squats.

 

[Grizzly]

I just think that people want to believe that bullshit so they have an excuse not to do a hard exercise like squats.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

 

[CyniQ]

This is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone with big, muscular legs that did not build them with squats. They may have resorted to leg presses and such after building their base, but to this day the guys I have seen with big legs always squat. I just think that people want to believe that bullshit so they have an excuse not to do a hard exercise like squats.

There are alot of guys that "pay their dues" with regard to squatting then succumb to the laziness of maintaining. I do squats 1) cuz I need to. 2) cuz very few people do them and the equip is avail. and 3) so I can look at the other guy who thinks he is squatting but is really just bouncing on his knees a little and laugh. Cause I really need to feel better than everyone else. I'm just a little girl inside crying my eyes out cuz nobody loves me... Sorry.

 

[Blue09]

I'm just a little girl inside crying my eyes out cuz nobody loves me... Sorry.

Join the club

 

[MANWHORE]

This is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone with big, muscular legs that did not build them with squats. They may have resorted to leg presses and such after building their base, but to this day the guys I have seen with big legs always squat. I just think that people want to believe that bullshit so they have an excuse not to do a hard exercise like squats.

I'm not sure it's about the squats building the legs as much as it them being very good for increasing natural test and having an effect on almost every other muscle in the body .. You can throw my friend on a few leg machines for a few weeks and his legs will blow up but put a bar on his back and he'll fall flat on his face. I said decent size legs not Ronnie's legs but it's not that the squat directly stimulates any more muscle fibers than let's say the leg curl,it's more of a higher stimulation of the nervous system just as pullups being a better back and bi builder than pulldowns ... i was always at the squat rack and can't even remember when i used leg curls or extensions. of course you get more work done in a shorter amount of time,but it has to do with more than just the legs