Recent blood work after switching to daily injections

[120nmol]

Hello guys so long story short
My trt dosage is around 150 a week (175 minus the ester enenthate)

Blood work before changing to daily injections
Dhea 12.84 umol/l
E2 274 pmol/l
Progesterone 1.27 nmol/l
Prolactin 408 mu/l
Testosterone 50 nmol/l
Shbg 29.9 nmol/l
Igf1 320 mg/ml

Blood work after daily injections
Dhea 29 umol/l
E2 170 pmol/l
Testosterone 89 nmol/l
Free t 4.78 nmol/l

Any explanation why total t went so up
Both lh and fsh are null and I use pharma test e

 

[taco33150]

You microdosing?

 

[mochul]

Your are converting less to e2 and the time between the injection and blood sample is less than 24h showing a higher spike than when you take your blood sample after three or four days.

 

[Eddie.]

In your first bloodwork what was your injection frequency and how many days after the last pin you draw blood?

 

[120nmol]

You microdosing?

Yeah 0.1ml a day insulin needle

Your are converting less to e2 and the time between the injection and blood sample is less than 24h showing a higher spike than when you take your blood sample after three or four days.

That means I’m on 89nnmol 24/7 not good..

In your first bloodwork what was your injection frequency and how many days after the last pin you draw blood?

2 times a week m/th..
After a whole month of daily micro dosing I did second blood work just to allow enough time for levels to stabilize I do my shots in the morning and I didn’t do the shot before the blood work only after to make sure I know my levels upon waking up.

 

[mochul]

So lower the dosage. With eod or e3.5 injection you have a higher spike for until the next day and then it is lowered.

 

[Eddie.]

It seems pretty weird to me man, you're the first one to have higher TT numbers in ed pinning instead of 2-3 times a week. And aside of this your numbers look unreal. Maybe there's some lab error, it's so hard to believe that 175mg test gives you 2566ng/dl with every day shots, if you took 175mg in one shot and test the next day, perhaps. Literally 5 minutes ago i was reading a thread of a guy taking 750 test plus some primo and his TT was 2800.

 

[mochul]

I think he should not bother with the question why as he will get several answers. If he is fine doing ed pinning then he can reduce his dosage and run several blood works until he is satisfied with the results.

 

[Eddie.]

He's probably curious as i am and perhaps others too, otherwise he could just split the dose in half and still be higher than the reference range. I'm doing ed injections with pharma test e as well and 210mg + HCG give me 1450ng/dl. So with 35mg less he achieves double than me. I know this is person dependent and everyone responds different to certain dosages but this beyond a reasonable gap.

 

[120nmol]

So lower the dosage. With eod or e3.5 injection you have a higher spike for until the next day and then it is lowered.

Twice a week (high e2)
Three times a week (high shag)
Daily suits me well with how I feel

It seems pretty weird to me man, you're the first one to have higher TT numbers in ed pinning instead of 2-3 times a week. And aside of this your numbers look unreal. Maybe there's some lab error, it's so hard to believe that 175mg test gives you 2566ng/dl with every day shots, if you took 175mg in one shot and test the next day, perhaps. Literally 5 minutes ago i was reading a thread of a guy taking 750 test plus some primo and his TT was 2800.

I will do blood work again and update

I think he should not bother with the question why as he will get several answers. If he is fine doing ed pinning then he can reduce his dosage and run several blood works until he is satisfied with the results.

I’ll redo blood work if still high will lower to 0.05 a day

He's probably curious as i am and perhaps others too, otherwise he could just split the dose in half and still be higher than the reference range. I'm doing ed injections with pharma test e as well and 210mg + HCG give me 1450ng/dl. So with 35mg less he achieves double than me. I know this is person dependent and everyone responds different to certain dosages but this beyond a reasonable gap.

Curious to see the numbers again hope it’s lab error otherwise I’ll have to find a way for ed injections with the dosages.

 

[mochul]

Twice a week (high e2)
Three times a week (high shag)
Daily suits me well with how I feel

I will do blood work again and update

I’ll redo blood work if still high will lower to 0.05 a day

Curious to see the numbers again hope it’s lab error otherwise I’ll have to find a way for ed injections with the dosages.

You can buy sterile oil and mix for example 5ml of both and the dosage will be halved

 

[120nmol]

You can buy sterile oil and mix for example 5ml of both and the dosage will be halved

Ye just more headache will be added with that.
I’m transferring the oil from the ampules to a vial and on top of that delude it with more oil..
I hope it’s a lab error I guess we will know next week

 

[mochul]

Ye just more headache will be added with that.
I’m transferring the oil from the ampules to a vial and on top of that delude it with more oil..
I hope it’s a lab error I guess we will know next week

Insuline syringe is accurate though for measuring 0.05ml!?

 

[120nmol]

Insuline syringe is accurate though for measuring 0.05ml!?

Yeah starts at 0.05

 

[RedViking]

Wow thanks for sharing. It's quite amazing the difference in the numbers. I wish you would have tested your shbg and ig1 levels after the daily injections. Apart from the extremely elevated testosterone everything looks perfect. Just have two questions for you. How do you feel after switching to ED injections? Any change in mood, libido, energy levels? And secondly, which brand of pharma are you using? I can see you use amps.

 

[RedViking]

He's probably curious as i am and perhaps others too, otherwise he could just split the dose in half and still be higher than the reference range. I'm doing ed injections with pharma test e as well and 210mg + HCG give me 1450ng/dl. So with 35mg less he achieves double than me. I know this is person dependent and everyone responds different to certain dosages but this beyond a reasonable gap.

Interesting. Similar questions to the OP, which brand of pharma test are you using? And how do you feel after changing to ED injections, is it a drastic change? Im currently on MWF injection protocol and plan on switching to ED. I'm also running HCG at 250mg 3x a week. What about yourself?

 

[Eddie.]

Interesting. Similar questions to the OP, which brand of pharma test are you using? And how do you feel after changing to ED injections, is it a drastic change? Im currently on MWF injection protocol and plan on switching to ED. I'm also running HCG at 250mg 3x a week. What about yourself?

Norma Hellas test E, it's in castor oil and comes in ampules only. I can't answer that as i am pinning ed since day 1, i haven't tried less frequent. One thing for sure is i haven't experienced any side effect like acne, water retention. Also the dose was not high enough so i can't say it blew me out bodywise and in terms of strength. I have better recovery, my body slightly recomped as i was in maintenance calories, vascularity improved, mood and libido improved.. Now i switched to UGL for a mini blast and added primo as well but i'm still doing ed subcutaneous injections.

I used pharma a vial of UGL hcg and a pharma one. I have a varicocele so i haven't noticed any major difference in balls size or semen volume. First vial was 250IU MWF and the pharma 500IU MWF. It drove my e2 at 106pg/ml and noticed some hair loss while running the HCG so i'm not gonna use it anymore unless if i accidentally crash my e2 and want to raise it up faster.

 

[Avarice911]

That’s crazy high. I thought I was a great responder and I only see 2000ng/dL at 300mg

 

[Jin23]

Hello guys so long story short
My trt dosage is around 150 a week (175 minus the ester enenthate)

Blood work before changing to daily injections
Dhea 12.84 umol/l
E2 274 pmol/l
Progesterone 1.27 nmol/l
Prolactin 408 mu/l
Testosterone 50 nmol/l
Shbg 29.9 nmol/l
Igf1 320 mg/ml

Blood work after daily injections
Dhea 29 umol/l
E2 170 pmol/l
Testosterone 89 nmol/l
Free t 4.78 nmol/l

Any explanation why total t went so up
Both lh and fsh are null and I use pharma test e

Your test was too high before and it's too high now, if we are talking trt off course.

What the above poster tried asking you is how long after the pin was your first lab work. If it was 3 days after the pin, then your T levels have dropped by the time you did your lab work. This is called through and if you do bloods the next day, it's called peak, as that's when your blood levels are the highest (usually around 12 to 18h post pin if IM).

Nevertheless, bloods are still weird. Even at through, the difference shouldn't have been this big. But maybe you are increasing absorption with multiple small boluses vs two larger ones. Or ... you did a mistake somewhere somehow.

However, it's clear that your dose (175mg) is at least 1x too big. Somewhere between 50 to 100mg will be your actual trt dose.

Having basically a 10x multiplier, mg x 10 = ng/dl is not uncommon. I'm actually a bit higher then that.

 

[120nmol]

Wow thanks for sharing. It's quite amazing the difference in the numbers. I wish you would have tested your shbg and ig1 levels after the daily injections. Apart from the extremely elevated testosterone everything looks perfect. Just have two questions for you. How do you feel after switching to ED injections? Any change in mood, libido, energy levels? And secondly, which brand of pharma are you using? I can see you use amps.

Twice a week - angry all the time bad mood random daily erections
Three times a week - tired
Daily injections - feeling stable waking up with a boner daily
Bayer testoviron 250 castor oil

That’s crazy high. I thought I was a great responder and I only see 2000ng/dL at 300mg

With hcg on top 250 three times a week I peaked at 120nnmol/l had to drop it

Your test was too high before and it's too high now, if we are talking trt off course.

What the above poster tried asking you is how long after the pin was your first lab work. If it was 3 days after the pin, then your T levels have dropped by the time you did your lab work. This is called through and if you do bloods the next day, it's called peak, as that's when your blood levels are the highest (usually around 12 to 18h post pin if IM).

Nevertheless, bloods are still weird. Even at through, the difference shouldn't have been this big. But maybe you are increasing absorption with multiple small boluses vs two larger ones. Or ... you did a mistake somewhere somehow.

However, it's clear that your dose (175mg) is at least 1x too big. Somewhere between 50 to 100mg will be your actual trt dose.

Having basically a 10x multiplier, mg x 10 = ng/dl is not uncommon. I'm actually a bit higher than that.

In my lab max ref range for t is 38nnmol/l depends when I take blood if it’s 3 days after shot towards 50nmol if it’s 4.5 days 44nmols so basically this are my numbers when I was doing twice a week.
I’m over a month on daily injections took the time for the t levels to get stable and took the blood test it was 24h after injection of 25mg test e.