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Request for Advice - NPP - Mid Cycle - Replacement Options

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WeaponPharma

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43yo, 6'2, 113kg, 14-15% BF. current cycle - 4 weeks in - 750mg test e, 300mg mast e, 300mg primo e, 300mg NPP (split across injections Mon/Wed/Fri), 5IU GH every night, anavar 50mg

other meds - duloxetine 60mg p/d for depression; ritalin 10mg twice per day for ADHD (please dont judge me!); telmisartan 80mg p/d for hypertension; cialis 10mg eod for sexual function and hypertension; assorted supplements (citrus bergamot; TUDCA; NAC; usual vitamins; injectable carnitine, injectable ATP, vit b6)

Notes: this is my first cycle with NPP. I ran Tren Ace for a month about a year ago and it felt like it poisoned my mind. Hence - this time NPP with supposedly lower mental sides... I am definitely noticing a darkening of my mood - a real pessimism creeping in and an inability to concentrate.

ADVICE REQUEST

I am thinking about stopping the NPP, even though I am sure it is helping me in the gym. I am doing this extremely reluctantly as I am about to start a new job and need my mind to be working well. I think my options are as follows:

1) continue "as is" just without the NPP
2) continue "as is" including with the NPP, but see if mental sides improve with the supplementation of DHEA & pregnenolone (they are en route)
3) "replace" NPP with higher test/primo/mast
4) run a mini trial of replacing the NPP with, say, 100mg of Mast Prop every day (would love to hear from anyone who has run this compound higher than test)
5) replace NPP with equipoise or DHB or even MENT, or possibly even low dose deca?

Any advice would be very welcome gents - I promise I will pay it forward.
 
I’d just drop it and keep on. Still pretty early into it so you could drop it and ride this out till it’s time to up the drugs then just up what ever you wanted.
 
Just ride it out dude. it gets easier as the weeks go on. Ive done it so many times now I don't notice it anymore. If it's so bad it's unbearable then just drop the shit Don't add anything else to take us place if you are actually on a "cycle" if your just blasting with not timeframe to titrate down to a cruise then yolo add something new to the mix and experiment.
 
Never go more than one DHT derivative in a cycle!
Your cycle is absolute nonsense.
Keep going - TST-NPP-Oxandrolone. Throw the rest in the trash.
 
WeaponPharma said:
43yo, 6'2, 113kg, 14-15% BF. current cycle - 4 weeks in - 750mg test e, 300mg mast e, 300mg primo e, 300mg NPP (split across injections Mon/Wed/Fri), 5IU GH every night, anavar 50mg

other meds - duloxetine 60mg p/d for depression; ritalin 10mg twice per day for ADHD (please dont judge me!); telmisartan 80mg p/d for hypertension; cialis 10mg eod for sexual function and hypertension; assorted supplements (citrus bergamot; TUDCA; NAC; usual vitamins; injectable carnitine, injectable ATP, vit b6)

Notes: this is my first cycle with NPP. I ran Tren Ace for a month about a year ago and it felt like it poisoned my mind. Hence - this time NPP with supposedly lower mental sides... I am definitely noticing a darkening of my mood - a real pessimism creeping in and an inability to concentrate.

ADVICE REQUEST

I am thinking about stopping the NPP, even though I am sure it is helping me in the gym. I am doing this extremely reluctantly as I am about to start a new job and need my mind to be working well. I think my options are as follows:

1) continue "as is" just without the NPP
2) continue "as is" including with the NPP, but see if mental sides improve with the supplementation of DHEA & pregnenolone (they are en route)
3) "replace" NPP with higher test/primo/mast
4) run a mini trial of replacing the NPP with, say, 100mg of Mast Prop every day (would love to hear from anyone who has run this compound higher than test)
5) replace NPP with equipoise or DHB or even MENT, or possibly even low dose deca?

Any advice would be very welcome gents - I promise I will pay it forward.
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For starters, if you are having issues with NPP, forget about deca, and definitely forget about MENT. However, the darkening mood, sounds like something internal like e2 or PRL are off. I understand you are not on that high of a dose, however, sometimes compounds do effect people differently. Where are your bloods at ?? This could be a shot in the dark, but have you thought about adding a D2 agonist in. I don't think you are in need of caber, but maybe a low dose of bromo or even gabapentin at night. You said you notice your mood change from TREN. Is it possible your dopamine levels are low. Just a thought. In order to be more help we need you to help paint us a better picture, otherwise you are gonna have people start tossing all types of ideas at the wall.

Remember amphetamines tend to cause a rise in PRL, plus the NPP, can increase PRL,and the duloxetine is a SNRI, which increase serotonin and lower dopamine levels and can cause a rise in PRL too... Just saying get bloods done
 
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I will let you know that the NPP mental sides only got worse the longer i ran it. The darkening of mood and pessimism is very true. I didn't realize it until i got off. So i'd recommend you drop it altogether. Test/Mast/Primo is more than enough.
 
amazonas said:
I will let you know that the NPP mental sides only got worse the longer i ran it. The darkening of mood and pessimism is very true. I didn't realize it until i got off. So i'd recommend you drop it altogether. Test/Mast/Primo is more than enough.
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Thanks so much guys - it’s a slow, dark cloud that started moving towards me and is now right on top. Not as dramatic as Tren Ace, but definitely there.

I am so disappointed because I am sure I am finally making decent gains. Getting bloods done tomorrow so will see how they look before locking anything in.

People who have suffered NPP depression-type sides, did you find equipoise more tolerable?

Thanks everyone-so grateful you have no idea
 
WeaponPharma said:
Thanks so much guys - it’s a slow, dark cloud that started moving towards me and is now right on top. Not as dramatic as Tren Ace, but definitely there.

I am so disappointed because I am sure I am finally making decent gains. Getting bloods done tomorrow so will see how they look before locking anything in.

People who have suffered NPP depression-type sides, did you find equipoise more tolerable?

Thanks everyone-so grateful you have no idea
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just take a little more test instead of adding in other random hormones that are foreign to our bodies, especially since you are on medication
 
EQ is a different beast. Tbh, I'm not a huge fan. I think if you were experiencing a loss of appetite or were juggling a couple wet compounds then EQ could help out. Don't get be wrong it's an amazing compound, but I really don't think you will notice all that much from it, because the affects won't start until a month from the day you begin taking it. Even if you front loaded it that's only going to shorten affects by a week. Maybe something like Dhb or Bold Cyp. You don't need another compound bro. Increase the test
 
WeaponPharma said:
Thanks so much guys - it’s a slow, dark cloud that started moving towards me and is now right on top. Not as dramatic as Tren Ace, but definitely there.

I am so disappointed because I am sure I am finally making decent gains. Getting bloods done tomorrow so will see how they look before locking anything in.

People who have suffered NPP depression-type sides, did you find equipoise more tolerable?

Thanks everyone-so grateful you have no idea
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Trust me man, i was feeling shitty towards the end of my cycle, but i kept on going with the NPP, because it gave me crazy results. Fullness out of this world, crazy strength and crazy recovery. It's addictive. It was my first time using it.

But honestly, now that im off for a month, i feel so much better mentally, my girlfriend told me i seemed like a completely different person for the past 3 months and now im finally back to my old self.

It's the perfect bodybuilding drug if bodybuilding is all you care about in life, but for the rest of us, it's not worth it. 19nors arent for me i think.
 
amazonas said:
Trust me man, i was feeling shitty towards the end of my cycle, but i kept on going with the NPP, because it gave me crazy results. Fullness out of this world, crazy strength and crazy recovery. It's addictive. It was my first time using it.

But honestly, now that im off for a month, i feel so much better mentally, my girlfriend told me i seemed like a completely different person for the past 3 months and now im finally back to my old self.

It's the perfect bodybuilding drug if bodybuilding is all you care about in life, but for the rest of us, it's not worth it. 19nors arent for me i think.
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Holy shit man - it is like you and I are living through the exact same experience. I am so pissed to be stopping. I’ve got enough 19nors in my special drawer to last me a decade and I can’t fkn use them!!! I’m gonna get off it - I’ll report back in a bit
 
amazonas said:
Trust me man, i was feeling shitty towards the end of my cycle, but i kept on going with the NPP, because it gave me crazy results. Fullness out of this world, crazy strength and crazy recovery. It's addictive. It was my first time using it.

But honestly, now that im off for a month, i feel so much better mentally, my girlfriend told me i seemed like a completely different person for the past 3 months and now im finally back to my old self.

It's the perfect bodybuilding drug if bodybuilding is all you care about in life, but for the rest of us, it's not worth it. 19nors arent for me i think.
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I did 900mg-1200mg of deca and it affected my personality more than 700mg tren ace, on Tren I was just a ragaholic, on deca I was like a 19 year old girl with BPD whose boyfriend just cheated on her , on drugs.

The myth of deca being like some side effect free bulker needs to die, guys are still scared to go over 750mg test, like once they hit 4 digits it'll suddenly have way more side effects.

Not trying to hate on the poster here at all, just using him as an example to help other people who may be reading this, but he was considering continuing to run just 300mg NPP, despite becoming noticeably depressed, rather than try 1,000mg or more of testosterone, something hes already tolerating well, considering hes already at 750mg of.

This is why i promote testosterone, I fooled around for years getting various mental and physical side effects because of this myth of diminished returns of testosterone at 1gram or that only pros can talk in terms of grams.

The only variable I have to worry about is estrogen, other steroids, especially 19nors, have a lot of downstream hormonal affects that can be very individual and we don't understand.
It is definitely not as simple as some bros think "oh now you just have to control prolactin"
 
Liter O' Test said:
I did 900mg-1200mg of deca and it affected my personality more than 700mg tren ace, on Tren I was just a ragaholic, on deca I was like a 19 year old girl with BPD whose boyfriend just cheated on her , on drugs.

The myth of deca being like some side effect free bulker needs to die, guys are still scared to go over 750mg test, like once they hit 4 digits it'll suddenly have way more side effects.

Not trying to hate on the poster here at all, just using him as an example to help other people who may be reading this, but he was considering continuing to run just 300mg NPP, despite becoming noticeably depressed, rather than try 1,000mg or more of testosterone, something hes already tolerating well, considering hes already at 750mg of.

This is why i promote testosterone, I fooled around for years getting various mental and physical side effects because of this myth of diminished returns of testosterone at 1gram or that only pros can talk in terms of grams.

The only variable I have to worry about is estrogen, other steroids, especially 19nors, have a lot of downstream hormonal affects that can be very individual and we don't understand.
It is definitely not as simple as some bros think "oh now you just have to control prolactin"
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My friend those numbers of deca are extreme high you don't need so big dose of 19nor's in your system to make the job done.
Testosterone and all agents that comes from yes can used at higher dosages if you control your e2.
But I am not fun of high dosages in any think
I believe if you take extreme dosages of everything can cause you serious harm to your health
 
Liter O' Test said:
I did 900mg-1200mg of deca and it affected my personality more than 700mg tren ace, on Tren I was just a ragaholic, on deca I was like a 19 year old girl with BPD whose boyfriend just cheated on her , on drugs.

The myth of deca being like some side effect free bulker needs to die, guys are still scared to go over 750mg test, like once they hit 4 digits it'll suddenly have way more side effects.

Not trying to hate on the poster here at all, just using him as an example to help other people who may be reading this, but he was considering continuing to run just 300mg NPP, despite becoming noticeably depressed, rather than try 1,000mg or more of testosterone, something hes already tolerating well, considering hes already at 750mg of.

This is why i promote testosterone, I fooled around for years getting various mental and physical side effects because of this myth of diminished returns of testosterone at 1gram or that only pros can talk in terms of grams.

The only variable I have to worry about is estrogen, other steroids, especially 19nors, have a lot of downstream hormonal affects that can be very individual and we don't understand.
It is definitely not as simple as some bros think "oh now you just have to control prolactin"
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this advice is so spot on - thanks mate. I dont know why i am seduced by tren/npp/deca - the reality is that I should just up the test until I am happy. That is my plan now.

I am now a few days clear of the NPP. The weight has completely lifted off my shoulders. I have lifted my Test/DHTs by about half a gram p/w so hopefully this blast continues to produce good gains

thanks everyone
 
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