Second cycle

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I'm trying to figure out what I want to do for a second cycle here.

1st cycle I ran 500 test E/week for 12 weeks and got some solid results from it. Gained around 7lbs of lean muscle from it.

Been doing a lot of reading lately(and still have a lot to do), and am thinking of doing 400 primo/400 test for 12 weeks and maybe some dbol for the first 4-6.

Currently sitting at 168lbs, and given last cycles results id like to be a solid lean 175, ideally 180.

I almost feel like I've been doing to much reading though and feel slightly overwhelmed with the amount of options out there to choose from.

Looking to get some other peoples inputs and experiences to try and dial my choice in. I do want to add that I am prone to acne and last cycle I did get it on my back/shoulders/arms. Was not able to get bloods at the time as I had changed jobs and had a lapse in insurance. (I did however get them before cycle)

Any guidance/opinions would be greatly appreciated. Also I do plan on getting bloods done while on cycle this time around.

 

[Rido]

I would say dont do a dbol kickstart, maybe at the end? adding a new compound in.

Did you PCT? or cruise?

I think 400 test/400 primo is a solid option.

prone for male pattern baldness?

 

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I would say dont do a dbol kickstart, maybe at the end? adding a new compound in.

Did you PCT? or cruise?

I think 400 test/400 primo is a solid option.

prone for male pattern baldness?

I did PCT as I don't want to risk permanently messing my hormones up. But I also do feel that even from my first cycle it permantley altered my physique in a good way.(first cycle was about 2 years ago)

As far as baldness, my father definitely has thinning/balding hair but he's also in his mid 50s, but I believe it started around his mid 30s. I can't say for sure.

I have read people having issues with balding on Primo, but also read a lot stating after they stopped everything went back to normal.

Also do you say add the dbol at the end so I can get a feel for the primo with the test as opposed to throwing them all in at once?

 

[T&H]

I did PCT as I don't want to risk permanently messing my hormones up. But I also do feel that even from my first cycle it permantley altered my physique in a good way.(first cycle was about 2 years ago)

As far as baldness, my father definitely has thinning/balding hair but he's also in his mid 50s, but I believe it started around his mid 30s. I can't say for sure.

I have read people having issues with balding on Primo, but also read a lot stating after they stopped everything went back to normal.

Also do you say add the dbol at the end so I can get a feel for the primo with the test as opposed to throwing them all in at once?

I too think 400 test and primo is solid, I'd run it 16 weeks. You can save the dbol for next time, or do as Cridi said and run the last 4 to 6 weeks.

 

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I too think 400 test and primo is solid, I'd run it 16 weeks. You can save the dbol for next time, or do as Cridi said and run the last 4 to 6 weeks.

I know Primo does not aromatize, and some people have stated it even lowered there E2. I have also read stories of people running the 400 test/primo and still needing an AI. Should I still get an AI?

Or anyone reading this that has done the test/primo cycle. What was your experiences with it?

Also how does everyone confront their doctor about the blood work? I feel like going in there once a month for 3-4 months to get my bloods done and them seeing my test elevated might raise some flags.

 

[T&H]

I know Primo does not aromatize, and some people have stated it even lowered there E2. I have also read stories of people running the 400 test/primo and still needing an AI. Should I still get an AI?

Or anyone reading this that has done the test/primo cycle. What was your experiences with it?

Also how does everyone confront their doctor about the blood work? I feel like going in there once a month for 3-4 months to get my bloods done and them seeing my test elevated might raise some flags.

I believe if you run testosterone, you should always have an AI on hand and recommend a pharma one at that.

My experience and many other show primo does lower E2, but not everyone's. Bloodwork 5 to 6 weeks in on a steady dose will be needed to see what yours is. Don't go to your doctor, Ulta labs and private MD labs offer affordable testosterone and estrogen packages. Below is one I've used a lot.

https://www.ultalabtests.com/test/biote-male-post-pellet/[CODE]

 

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I believe if you run testosterone, you should always have an AI on hand and recommend a pharma one at that.

My experience and many other show primo does lower E2, but not everyone's. Bloodwork 5 to 6 weeks in on a steady dose will be needed to see what yours is. Don't go to your doctor, Ulta labs and private MD labs offer affordable testosterone and estrogen packages. Below is one I've used a lot.

https://www.ultalabtests.com/test/biote-male-post-pellet/[CODE]

Just looked up their service center locations and there’s quite a few within 5 miles of me so this would work perfect! Big thanks on that!

Their site shows quite a few tests, anywhere from $98-$500. They have a Gender reassignment one(lol) that lists it tests for:

• CBC (includes Differential and Platelets) [ 6399 ]
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (CMP) [ 10231 ]
• Estrogen, Total, Serum [ 439 ]
• Lipid Panel [ 7600 ]
• Testosterone, Total, MS [ 15983 ]

I take it this is the one I want or will it specifically say E2? They have one that states estradiol, and then there’s the one I copied stating total Estrogen.

 

[T&H]

Just looked up their service center locations and there’s quite a few within 5 miles of me so this would work perfect! Big thanks on that!

Their site shows quite a few tests, anywhere from $98-$500. They have a Gender reassignment one(lol) that lists it tests for:

• CBC (includes Differential and Platelets) [ 6399 ]
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (CMP) [ 10231 ]
• Estrogen, Total, Serum [ 439 ]
• Lipid Panel [ 7600 ]
• Testosterone, Total, MS [ 15983 ]

I take it this is the one I want or will it specifically say E2? They have one that states estradiol, and then there’s the one I copied stating total Estrogen.

I don't think that's it.

@Cridi887 you know of any packages that have the above? You've used more of them than I have.

 

[Rido]

Free and total Test sensitive e2 cbc
Without thyroid

BioTE Male Post Pellet

The BioTE Male Post Pellet panel contains 3 tests with 37 biomarkers.

www.ultalabtests.com

This one has thyroid

BioTE Male Post Pellet Thyroid Rx W/O TPO

The BioTE Male Post Pellet Thyroid Rx W/O TPO panel contains 6 tests with 41 biomarkers.

www.ultalabtests.com

cmp lipids

Lipid Panel and Comprehensive Metabolic Panel-CMP

The Lipid Panel and Comprehensive Metabolic Panel-CMP panel contains 2 tests with 28 biomarkers.

www.ultalabtests.com

 

[Girthcertificate]

Free and total Test sensitive e2 cbc
Without thyroid

BioTE Male Post Pellet

The BioTE Male Post Pellet panel contains 3 tests with 37 biomarkers.

www.ultalabtests.com

This one has thyroid

BioTE Male Post Pellet Thyroid Rx W/O TPO

The BioTE Male Post Pellet Thyroid Rx W/O TPO panel contains 6 tests with 41 biomarkers.

www.ultalabtests.com

cmp lipids

Lipid Panel and Comprehensive Metabolic Panel-CMP

The Lipid Panel and Comprehensive Metabolic Panel-CMP panel contains 2 tests with 28 biomarkers.

www.ultalabtests.com

I appreciate you! Wonder if the site wasn’t showing these because I was selecting a specific location. But this is perfect. Pricing is definitely way better then what I was originally looking at. Is it always around that cost or are they just running a deal right now?

 

[T&H]

I appreciate you! Wonder if the site wasn’t showing these because I was selecting a specific location. But this is perfect. Pricing is definitely way better then what I was originally looking at. Is it always around that cost or are they just running a deal right now?

Always that price.

 

[Rido]

I appreciate you! Wonder if the site wasn’t showing these because I was selecting a specific location. But this is perfect. Pricing is definitely way better then what I was originally looking at. Is it always around that cost or are they just running a deal right now?

and there is always a 20% off coupon to stack it

 

[Girthcertificate]

and there is always a 20% off coupon to stack it

So it gets even cheaper!? This is incredible haha. Where is said coupon at?

 

[Rido]

So it gets even cheaper!? This is incredible haha. Where is said coupon at?

look on their website. it is listed somewhere. coupon always changes.

The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork

Good morning all, I’m brand new to anabolics and everything associated with using them. Looking for directions on what to order as far as getting blood work. Then what exactly do I do with the results afterwards. I’ll basically be looking at results with information I don’t necessarily...

thinksteroids.com

I also did post about labcorp. going through more plates more dates TRT clinic

 

[Girthcertificate]

look on their website. it is listed somewhere. coupon always changes.

The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork

Good morning all, I’m brand new to anabolics and everything associated with using them. Looking for directions on what to order as far as getting blood work. Then what exactly do I do with the results afterwards. I’ll basically be looking at results with information I don’t necessarily...

thinksteroids.com

I also did post about labcorp. going through more plates more dates TRT clinic

Thank you again brudda! You and @T&H have been extremely helpful with everything. Looking forward to starting the cycle here soon, and will try to document and post it to help others looking to run the same thing.

 

[Girthcertificate]

@Cridi887 @T&H

What would you guys suggest for the pinning cycle on this? If I do what I did last time with just test which was 2 times a week it’d be roughly 2.3cc’s a pin(primo+test). Kind of seems like a lot to me.

Would I be good to do 3 times a week or would something funky be up with the esters and blood levels?

Last time I was only doing 1cc a pin so jumping up to a little over double that…not sure how my body would handle it. Could be some seriously crappy pip or could be just like doing one cc.

 

[Rido]

@Cridi887 @T&H

What would you guys suggest for the pinning cycle on this? If I do what I did last time with just test which was 2 times a week it’d be roughly 2.3cc’s a pin(primo+test). Kind of seems like a lot to me.

Would I be good to do 3 times a week or would something funky be up with the esters and blood levels?

Last time I was only doing 1cc a pin so jumping up to a little over double that…not sure how my body would handle it. Could be some seriously crappy pip or could be just like doing one cc.

My cycle 2 was nearly nearly 6ml+ a week. Even that isnt considered alot by some people's standards.

I think you will be fine. considering the primo was brewed well and minimal PIP.


My personal situation(an example) right now is DHB is causing alot of PIP. So I cant inject 2ml of it. It causes quite a bit of PIP and inflammation.

What are your injection sites? You could break up the oil if its too much for one site. Most sites can handle 2.5-3ml

 

[T&H]

@Cridi887 @T&H

What would you guys suggest for the pinning cycle on this? If I do what I did last time with just test which was 2 times a week it’d be roughly 2.3cc’s a pin(primo+test). Kind of seems like a lot to me.

Would I be good to do 3 times a week or would something funky be up with the esters and blood levels?

Last time I was only doing 1cc a pin so jumping up to a little over double that…not sure how my body would handle it. Could be some seriously crappy pip or could be just like doing one cc.

3x a week is fine. If you prefer less pinning like me, do the VG muscle as it can hold 2.5 to 3ml easy. However, start with 1 to 1.5ml and try and workup to the total volume, if you prefer 2x a week. But 3x a week would be just good.

Edit-When I was doing a lot, I was doing as Cridi suggested. I'd do 2.5 in VG, and 1ml in delt.

 

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I’ll just have to try the 2.3cc’s and see how it goes and if it doesn’t go well I’ll have to divide it up between 3 shots. What gauge do you suggest for the pin for that much cc’s?