Sensible TRT batch quantities

[vulpes]

I have been considering TRT for a while now. I have always preferred to make my own things -I make my own ammunition and my own supplements, so its logical to make my own TRT and at least be sure of the ingredients.

When (if at the rate things are going right now) I get my hands on some raws, what is a sensible sized first batch for someone who is going to try TRT at a starting dose of 100mg/week? I am thinking that there will be losses in the process (I guess the filter will lose quite a lot), so scaling up is good but how long is shelf life safe for?

Thanks

 

[readalot]

I have been considering TRT for a while now. I have always preferred to make my own things -I make my own ammunition and my own supplements, so its logical to make my own TRT and at least be sure of the ingredients.

When (if at the rate things are going right now) I get my hands on some raws, what is a sensible sized first batch for someone who is going to try TRT at a starting dose of 100mg/week? I am thinking that there will be losses in the process (I guess the filter will lose quite a lot), so scaling up is good but how long is shelf life safe for?

Thanks

Is this how you started out when you wanted to learn how to reload?

 

[vulpes]

No. Then I wanted to get the recipe dialled in by experiment and testing within published safe data, then make a big batch of what I had proved worked.

But I think this is a little different -the shelf life of the product is shorter. I have decided a safe starting load -100 mg test E /week seems a widely agreed safe starting load for an endurance athlete who does not want to gain more than minimal weight and it seems a simple form to make, will not need daily dosing, yet does not have a crazy half life that makes it hard to hop off.

I have recent bloods, I have taken the advice of TRT professionals but I can't afford their prescriptions and I do like to know what I am putting in my body. I believe that I need a sensible batch of Test E to begin my "load ladder" based on the bloods that come back from the starting load, aiming to attain the blood levels of a lucky 19 year old but not supra physiologic levels.

But I came her to learn, so am open to advice.

 

[Ghoul]

A 10ml vial of Test will last you about 6 months at 100mg a week.

A $100 (at the moment) kit of ten vials will be 5 years worth. Shelf life is 5 years minimum at room temp, in the dark.

While you may wish to have raws on hand "just in case", this is such a minuscule amount, even the smallest practical batch will make many years worth.

I'd urge you to start your TRT journey with some pre-made Test (C imo), while it's still available. Focus on getting settled into that protocol and spending the first few months dialing things in. There's more complexity to doing this right than may initially appear to be.

Get some raws when available and play with them as time allows, but in my opinion, starting off with your own homemade test is adding unnecessary complexity to a task you should master first.

If you have concerns about safety and sterility there are ways to help ensure that, though "bad gear" has an exceedingly low likelihood, and can be easily mitigated further with additional precautions most don't bother with.

 

[DECLAN]

Basic maths brother. Calculate what you need then brew accordingly.

If first time brewing, brew a small batch just to gauge raw quality and your technique, this will reduce waste if you fuck up.

It’s not rocket science or molecular biology, even knuckledraggers can do it. Good luck.

 

[vulpes]

A 10ml vial of Test will last you about 6 months at 100mg a week.

A $100 (at the moment) kit of ten vials will be 5 years worth. Shelf life is 5 years minimum at room temp, in the dark.

While you may wish to have raws on hand "just in case", this is such a minuscule amount, even the smallest practical batch will make many years worth.

I'd urge you to start your TRT journey with some pre-made Test (C imo), while it's still available. Focus on getting settled into that protocol and spending the first few months dialing things in. There's more complexity to doing this right than may initially appear to be.

Get some raws when available and play with them as time allows, but in my opinion, starting off with your own homemade test is adding unnecessary complexity to a task you should master first.

If you have concerns about safety and sterility there are ways to help ensure that, though "bad gear" has an exceedingly low likelihood, and can be easily mitigated further with additional precautions most don't bother with.

Thanks. I did not know it would last so long. So if I got a kit of ten vials off one of the more popular retailers on here it would be good for that long? The factory made stuff that you see advertised seems to be with quite short use by dates and I did no know about underground stuff, if maybe it was safer to hold it only for a short time.

What you say sounds a practical approach with such long use by dates. Is there any reason you suggest test C over test E?

When it comes to making experiments, how long before I should discard unused home brew if using standard BA quantities?

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks. I did not know it would last so long. So if I got a kit of ten vials off one of the more popular retailers on here it would be good for that long? The factory made stuff that you see advertised seems to be with quite short use by dates and I did no know about underground stuff, if maybe it was safer to hold it only for a short time.

What you say sounds a practical approach with such long use by dates. Is there any reason you suggest test C over test E?

When it comes to making experiments, how long before I should discard unused home brew if using standard BA quantities?

Pharmaceutical shelf lives are not determined by the actual longevity of the product, but by how long the manufacturer is willing to guarantee potency. This is, with a few exceptions, an arbitrary amount of time, based on commercial considerations, not scientific ones. If the manufacturer sets a one year expiration date, they merely have to demonstrate to the FDA that under the recommended storage conditions, it will retain potency and safety for one year. If it lasts 30 years, as many drugs do, they're under no obligation to offer a longer expiration date.

Experience has long demonstrated that properly made steroids remain safe and with a minuscule amount of potency loss for at least 5 years, and almost certainly much longer. The rubber stopper life is the limiting factor in such long term storage conditions.

The guidance for multi dose vials is to discard 30 days after first puncture. This assumes worst case scenario, ie, failure to sterilize the stopper top before each use, and a hospital environment high in germs. Personally I'd be fine going at least three months. possibly even the entire 6, as many do, given the basic precautions to maintain sterility are taken.

Test C and E are for all TRT intents interchangeable. Test E raw ingredients have had manufacturing issues that frequently lead to injection site pain, that C doesn't suffer from. There is simply no good reason, imo, to choose E over C.

If you make homebrew properly, it will have a shelf life effectively equivalent to UGL and pharma testosterone, which is nearly indefinite.

I'm not trying to instill fear in you, but the window for buying steroid oils is closing. It will certainly return, but if you intended on doing this any time soon, I wouldn't let any grass grow under my feet. Even if you order today, it will likely be weeks before you get it in any case.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Pharmaceutical shelf lives are not determined by the actual longevity of the product, but by how long the manufacturer is willing to guarantee potency.

oil as well.. dont want that shit to get rancid either

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

1.5% BA(use 3ml syringe to measure)
Test 200-250mg/ml
25-30% BB.(Depending on concentration of Test, use 100ml graduated cylinder)


May not even need a heat and just a stirring rod if you let it sit in BB overnight/mix it. if you set it to 200mg/ml and 30% BB.

Could even use a coffee warmer

 

[Dxt25]

oil as well.. dont want that shit to get rancid either

Mct has the longest shelf life if im not mistaken? That with the BA should last a long time

 

[Ghoul]

Mct has the longest shelf life if im not mistaken? That with the BA should last a long time

Correct. a properly made vial of steroids is a bacteriostatic environment. Provided the vial is sealed. BA won't lose its ability to prevent microbial growth preserving the oil even longer than its already long life. Rancidity is caused by bacteria breaking down oil with enzymes.

Test is a brick of a molecule, and the main source of degradation is UV.

Commercial test-cyp in the US has a marked shelf life of 1-3 years, even the same formulation, simply different brands.

Homebrew is straightforward, and really cost effective if you use more than the low amounts we're talking about. Also many possibilities for customizing steroids. I wouldn't even mind having 100g or more of raws "just in case". 40 vials or so worth in a small bag in the freezer.

If you make your own, probobly a good idea to have the first batch tested.

I don't know where you'd even source a small amount of test cyp raws at the moment. 1kg seems the minimum.

 

[vulpes]

Correct. a properly made vial of steroids is a bacteriostatic environment. Provided the vial is sealed. BA won't lose its ability to prevent microbial growth preserving the oil even longer than its already long life. Rancidity is caused by bacteria breaking down oil with enzymes.

Test is a brick of a molecule, and the main source of degradation is UV.

Commercial test-cyp in the US has a marked shelf life of 1-3 years, even the same formulation, simply different brands.

Homebrew is straightforward, and really cost effective if you use more than the low amounts we're talking about. Also many possibilities for customizing steroids. I wouldn't even mind having 100g or more of raws "just in case". 40 vials or so worth in a small bag in the freezer.

If you make your own, probobly a good idea to have the first batch tested.

I don't know where you'd even source a small amount of test cyp raws at the moment. 1kg seems the minimum.

Thanks for your advice.

I paid for a hurried order for raws today (E because I did not know what you said about manufacturing issues) I had thought C was harder to home brew and crashed easier but I didn't look too far into it because I thought the two were in results pretty interchangeable and just ordered E for easier brewing.
I have also recently placed a peptide order containing a small quantity of test E -just to get me started I thought (much as you suggested, just smaller quantities -20 1 ml ampules of 250 concentration as I thought they would have a longer shelf life if I dithered over starting the experiment). I do wish I had asked about product life first and just bought a kit of ten. I thought I had gleaned info by looking at printed batch expiries and that underground brew would be a shorter time and home brew shorter still.

Anyway we learn and no great harm done. At least I should have some long term back up materials soon. (I don't really want to start the journey without knowing I can carry it on for the foreseeable as I really can't afford the prescription costs. Next peptide order I am getting a kit of Test C then.

I look forward to having it all in the house and not be worrying about anything getting intercepted. One worries that raws might get you confused with a dealer.

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks for your advice.

I paid for a hurried order for raws today (E because I did not know what you said about manufacturing issues) I had thought C was harder to home brew and crashed easier but I didn't look too far into it because I thought the two were in results pretty interchangeable and just ordered E for easier brewing.
I have also recently placed a peptide order containing a small quantity of test E -just to get me started I thought (much as you suggested, just smaller quantities -20 1 ml ampules of 250 concentration as I thought they would have a longer shelf life if I dithered over starting the experiment). I do wish I had asked about product life first and just bought a kit of ten. I thought I had gleaned info by looking at printed batch expiries and that underground brew would be a shorter time and home brew shorter still.

Anyway we learn and no great harm done. At least I should have some long term back up materials soon. (I don't really want to start the journey without knowing I can carry it on for the foreseeable as I really can't afford the prescription costs. Next peptide order I am getting a kit of Test C then.

I look forward to having it all in the house and not be worrying about anything getting intercepted. One worries that raws might get you confused with a dealer.

You'll be fine. There's plenty of expertise here ready to help you brew when you started.

You'll need filter needles for the ampules, to prevent glass shards from entering the syringe.

Are you in the US? Legal jeopardy with any steroid isn't zero, but realistically it's very low, even if discovered, it'll be seized and you'll get a form letter telling you not to do that.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Correct. a properly made vial of steroids is a bacteriostatic environment. Provided the vial is sealed. BA won't lose its ability to prevent microbial growth preserving the oil even longer than its already long life. Rancidity is caused by bacteria breaking down oil with enzymes.

Test is a brick of a molecule, and the main source of degradation is UV.

Commercial test-cyp in the US has a marked shelf life of 1-3 years, even the same formulation, simply different brands.

Homebrew is straightforward, and really cost effective if you use more than the low amounts we're talking about. Also many possibilities for customizing steroids. I wouldn't even mind having 100g or more of raws "just in case". 40 vials or so worth in a small bag in the freezer.

If you make your own, probobly a good idea to have the first batch tested.

I don't know where you'd even source a small amount of test cyp raws at the moment. 1kg seems the minimum.

pretty sure rancidity is caused by oxidation.

I think COLD PRESSED castor oil has a longer shelf life up to 5 years.

@narta ?

 

[narta]

pretty sure rancidity is caused by oxidation.

I think COLD PRESSED castor oil has a longer shelf life up to 5 years.

@narta ?

Technically castor is 3yrs max.

Practically, a lot more. I have had Bayer Testoviron that was 11yrs past expiration with zero problems. Keep away from light and its gtg

 

[Ghoul]

pretty sure rancidity is caused by oxidation.

I think COLD PRESSED castor oil has a longer shelf life up to 5 years.

@narta ?

MCT is 100% saturated fat, so there's no open bond for oxygen to attach to, preventing oxidation and rancidity.

The bonds can broken by anaerobic bacteria and then oxygen can attach and make it rancid. High heat can do the same. Otherwise, it's nearly immortal.

 

[MfgEng]

O no no. I have shot stuff expired in 2008 (Axio Labs test) in 2018 without any issues at all except I got big and strong!!

 

[vulpes]

Thanks everyone for your advice. I will get MTC oil for shelf life when I get started, brew a small batch to make sure I don't screwup, then go and make a few years' worth when the small batch returns good bloods.