Shelf Life For AAS Raws

[RedSwingline]

I was considering starting to brew my own gear mostly from the convenience of already having the AAS ingredients on hand. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with how long you can store raws and them still be OK? I searched and found one thread talking about freezing triple bagged and vacuumed tren ace and it mentioned 3 years. That seem short to me. I currently buy my finished gear in quantities that will last me a year or more. It is not really about the money for me, its about the security of having it available.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

I was considering starting to brew my own gear mostly from the convenience of already having the AAS ingredients on hand. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with how long you can store raws and them still be OK? I searched and found one thread talking about freezing triple bagged and vacuumed tren ace and it mentioned 3 years. That seem short to me. I currently buy my finished gear in quantities that will last me a year or more. It is not really about the money for me, its about the security of having it available.

Tren doesn’t stay fresh long, That’s just the nature of the hormone. Either brewed or raws.

Don’t put them in the freezer because that introduces the possibility of moisture.

 

[jJjburton]

I was considering starting to brew my own gear mostly from the convenience of already having the AAS ingredients on hand. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with how long you can store raws and them still be OK? I searched and found one thread talking about freezing triple bagged and vacuumed tren ace and it mentioned 3 years. That seem short to me. I currently buy my finished gear in quantities that will last me a year or more. It is not really about the money for me, its about the security of having it available.

Test will last for very long

 

[carn1t9]

Test will last for very long

possible to put some numbers and which ester specifically ?

 

[jJjburton]

possible to put some numbers and which ester specifically ?

I have never heard of a powdered or pilled pharmaceutical that goes bad within 10 years, whether it be aleve, cialis, tylenol,l citrulline.

Only ones i know is vitamin C and tren. They oxidize. And maybe test E.

But if i was to but raws and stored them vacummes sealed with dry packs, i would use them in ten years. This is just my opinion.

 

[BawlsDeep]

Don’t put them in the freezer because that introduces the possibility of moisture.

I always keep mine vacuum sealed and in the freezer.

 

[combover]

I have never heard of a powdered or pilled pharmaceutical that goes bad within 10 years, whether it be aleve, cialis, tylenol,l citrulline.

Only ones i know is vitamin C and tren. They oxidize. And maybe test E.

But if i was to but raws and stored them vacummes sealed with dry packs, i would use them in ten years. This is just my opinion.

How long you think finished tren stays effective?
I have a few vials that are about ~1.5 years old that I was about to try out at a low dose, like 150/mg a week.

 

[hijoshiki]

Finish gear apparently doesn't last as long as we would like due to degradation that happens rather quickly thanks to Jano's testing.

I recently pulled some of my old vials that I brewed back in 2019, stuff was smooth as butter back then, now it's shit and causes hellish pip. I have no clue what went wrong, but old vials went in the trash.

Now short ester stuff I brewed from 2019, that stuff still works great with no pip at all and had a quarter inch of crashed hormone in the bottom of all the vials.

I tend to think short ester raws with higher melting points would naturally last longer and be more stable for storage. Low melting point compounds I don't stock up as much because I feel they'll degrade faster. That's one of the reasons I keep a large back up supply of everything I can in base/no ester/acetate form for very long term storage in case the international supply dries up for awhile.

I've found that storing my raws in sealed bags inside of 1 quart lined metal paint cans one of my better methods to keep air out.

I don't like the freezer because of moisture and temperature variations, but if you can remove all the air and enclose it so it never gets moisture in the container then it's a good method.

 

[Sporting Raisins OH!!]

Comes down to the amount of BB used, what carrier oil and storage.

Tren Hex raw is a pain. Learnt that the hard way with all of it now useless.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

How long you think finished tren stays effective?
I have a few vials that are about ~1.5 years old that I was about to try out at a low dose, like 150/mg a week.

Longest I’ve kept tren and used it was almost exactly one year. Kept in a cool dark closet.

 

[Nilatac]

Finish gear apparently doesn't last as long as we would like due to degradation that happens rather quickly thanks to Jano's testing.

I recently pulled some of my old vials that I brewed back in 2019, stuff was smooth as butter back then, now it's shit and causes hellish pip. I have no clue what went wrong, but old vials went in the trash.

Now short ester stuff I brewed from 2019, that stuff still works great with no pip at all and had a quarter inch of crashed hormone in the bottom of all the vials.

I tend to think short ester raws with higher melting points would naturally last longer and be more stable for storage. Low melting point compounds I don't stock up as much because I feel they'll degrade faster. That's one of the reasons I keep a large back up supply of everything I can in base/no ester/acetate form for very long term storage in case the international supply dries up for awhile.

I've found that storing my raws in sealed bags inside of 1 quart lined metal paint cans one of my better methods to keep air out.

I don't like the freezer because of moisture and temperature variations, but if you can remove all the air and enclose it so it never gets moisture in the container then it's a good method.

Where did you find the test done by Jano that show oil degrade "quickly "?

On pharma test the expiration is 5 years and if it could use for medical purposes after 5 years you can use that oil for recreational purposes longer. Only possible issue is losing sterility of the oil but that not happen so quick

 

[Nilatac]

How long you think finished tren stays effective?
I have a few vials that are about ~1.5 years old that I was about to try out at a low dose, like 150/mg a week.

No one has done that type of test to give a documented response

 

[Sporting Raisins OH!!]

Did any of you guys use gear from MOS, UGL OZ or Helix back in the day?
Their Tren......just thinking about them scares me.

 

[combover]

No one has done that type of test to give a documented response

So best to just pin it to win it and monitor pornhun searches for change? Got it.

 

[jJjburton]

How long you think finished tren stays effective?
I have a few vials that are about ~1.5 years old that I was about to try out at a low dose, like 150/mg a week.

I think it would be the oil that goes bad first

 

[Nilatac]

So best to just pin it to win it and monitor pornhun searches for change? Got it.

Or send a sample to jano and you will know for sure how much you pin

 

[combover]

I think it would be the oil that goes bad first

I literally know nothing about this shit, but if it's the oil, wouldn't it be the same as test or anything else?

Or send a sample to jano and you will know for sure how much you pin

If the potency went down that's fine, I've never ran tren before and was only considering 150mg/wk. If degradation is the main thing, I'm probably good lol.

 

[Nilatac]

I literally know nothing about this shit, but if it's the oil, wouldn't it be the same as test or anything else?


If the potency went down that's fine, I've never ran tren before and was only considering 150mg/wk. If degradation is the main thing, I'm probably good lol.

Store away from sun light and it will be good for many many years.
The hgh that is constituted it's degrade as time past pretty fast especially if is not store at cold temperature. With oils they are good for longer than you can have a bottle without start using

 

[hijoshiki]

Where did you find the test done by Jano that show oil degrade "quickly "?

On pharma test the expiration is 5 years and if it could use for medical purposes after 5 years you can use that oil for recreational purposes longer. Only possible issue is losing sterility of the oil but that not happen so quick

This is the thread where Jano did some testing to see if hormone degrades faster than we expected.

Degradation

The problem with this testing was that it wasn't scaled up to test multiple hormones in different esters in oil to see how fast they degrade. It would be a fascinating study and probably something that would end up being published if it were done right.

For me 5 years if something is pharma grade stored in ampules could possibly be used. I use silicone stoppers because they are basically inert and won't break down.

However I don't think BB or BA have all that long of a shelf life and studies need to be done on that to see if it breaks down as well and what the by products are.

The smart home brewer is better off cooking up small batches say 6 months worth and limiting it to that. I used to do 250ml batches which was a waste obviously.

 

[Sporting Raisins OH!!]

How long you think finished tren stays effective?
I have a few vials that are about ~1.5 years old that I was about to try out at a low dose, like 150/mg a week.

I've got Tren Vials going on 6 years old that I tried 4 years ago and It definitely gave all the side's it used to.
Oxidation is present in some that are only 6 months old though, I had to run a heap of tests that relate to the topic.

GSO and MCT with their nature will 100% go rancid, the best before is roughly 2 year's from manufacturing.

BB is a preservative so the shelf life is extended further, for how long I'm not sure.