So, guy from gym is going to a TRT clinic run by morons.

[MrTexas2]

Here is the protocol they have him on: Test propionate 3 times a week (keeps his total at 1100, which is good). They also have him running MK-677 permanently, although these idiots don't even measure his his IGF-1.

His estrogen is waaaay out of range, but they don't have him on an AI or even a SERM.

To make matters worse, they are charging him nearly $300 a month for their crappy protocol.

Should I explain to this guy that these docs are idiots? For that amount of money I would have him on real GH, probably a little less than a cc of test cyp/enantate every 4-5 days, and enough of an AI.

I would send him to a world famous TRT doc for his labs. I told him that we will just change 1 thing at a time starting with GH and maybe just a small amount of A dec to get his estrone down.

It should be mentioned that I have ben doing this stuff for 30 years going all the way back to Dan Duchain.

 

[Ateam2023]

Here is the protocol they have him on: Test propionate 3 times a week (keeps his total at 1100, which is good). They also have him running MK-677 permanently, although these idiots don't even measure his his IGF-1.

His estrogen is waaaay out of range, but they don't have him on an AI or even a SERM.

To make matters worse, they are charging him nearly $300 a month for their crappy protocol.

Should I explain to this guy that these docs are idiots? For that amount of money I would have him on real GH, probably a little less than a cc of test cyp/enantate every 4-5 days, and enough of an AI.

I would send him to a world famous TRT doc for his labs. I told him that we will just change 1 thing at a time starting with GH and maybe just a small amount of A dec to get his estrone down.

It should be mentioned that I have ben doing this stuff for 30 years going all the way back to Dan Duchain.

why Wouldn't you say something, give the guy a little direction, ,

 

[MrTexas2]

why Wouldn't you say something, give the guy a little direction, ,

I absolutely 100% am. Switched him over to real GH today (he is constantly tired from the MK-677). Plus I learned he is injecting small amounts of test cyp 3 times a week. Just stupid.

However I am telling him to just switch out 1 thing at a time while he builds trust in me. I don't want him thinking I just want his money. I am going to have him start A dex next week.

 

[PressureTest]

Why not recommend him do daily T-cyp injections if he’s already doing 3x? I’m a high aromatizer and the increased frequency brought my E2 down to where I need very little to no AI.

 

[Middus]

Here is the protocol they have him on: Test propionate 3 times a week (keeps his total at 1100, which is good). They also have him running MK-677 permanently, although these idiots don't even measure his his IGF-1.

His estrogen is waaaay out of range, but they don't have him on an AI or even a SERM.

To make matters worse, they are charging him nearly $300 a month for their crappy protocol.

Should I explain to this guy that these docs are idiots? For that amount of money I would have him on real GH, probably a little less than a cc of test cyp/enantate every 4-5 days, and enough of an AI.

I would send him to a world famous TRT doc for his labs. I told him that we will just change 1 thing at a time starting with GH and maybe just a small amount of A dec to get his estrone down.

It should be mentioned that I have ben doing this stuff for 30 years going all the way back to Dan Duchain.

They're not morons. They're opportunistic dirtbags who don't care as long as he pays.
You have folks with fake licenses injecting China sourced botox into peoples eyelids and cheeks
I would advise him right away.

 

[MrTexas2]

They're not morons. They're opportunistic dirtbags who don't care as long as he pays.
You have folks with fake licenses injecting China sourced botox into peoples eyelids and cheeks
I would advise him right away.

Absolutely. Started him on GH today, Orange tops from I Lion. Found out he is injecting test cyp in very small amounts, 3 times a week. I know that in theory more frequent injections can cause less of a spike in estrogen, but it makes much more sense to simply put him on a little A Dex.

I am going to switch him over to once every 4 days/test/cyp which will give him perfectly stable levels. I will be brewing some sustenone in a couple of weeks so we could go 5-6 days on that. They also have him on a bunch of peptides. As a general rule peptides are never as good as the real thing, although I have heard good things about BP 157.

He is 52 with a bunch of minor aches and pains. The best thing for him is just a little deca. The clinic is not willing to prescribe him deca so I will hook him up with some of mine. I am going to recommend about 120 mgs of test cyp, and 60 or so of deca every 4 days which should be safe and effective for him.

I have about 5-6 friends I brew for and they are all older like me. Low dose test with a little deca, primo, GH, and maybe a little anvar work phenomenally well for all of us. My friends are all over 55 and look better that 95% of the kids in the gym. I have not compteted in 6 years (almost got my pro card if it were not for y thick mid section) but people still ask me if I am competing again. Sorry for the bragging, but I know what I am doing (as do so any guys on this forum).

I am excited about taking this guy into the fold and helping him to look his best. He is super, super dedicated. He eats a perfect diet and was training 7 days a week, some days double sessions. First thing I am doing is cutting his training back to 5...maybe 6 days a week, shorter sessions, one a day max.

I am going to also send him to my urologist to get his labs done. The clinic the is going to right now doesn't even measure his IGF-1.

 

[AlexDavis43]

They're not morons. They're opportunistic dirtbags who don't care as long as he pays.
You have folks with fake licenses injecting China sourced botox into peoples eyelids and cheeks
I would advise him right away.

Agree but they're absolutely morons when it comes to actual TRT therapeutic patient care.

They want the subscriptions for $150 bottles of test and fake hCG. Optional anavar (probably fake too) for an additional $50.

"Sign a waiver and gtg"

 

[MrTexas2]

Even if he were paying $150 for a bottle of test, that would be cheaper than what he is spending. By my estimates he is getting 3, maybe 4 cc's max a month for $300. They won't write him a script for anavar or deca.

I just started him on GH, a little more than 2 iu's 5 days a week. If his hands are not numb I will bump him to 3. That should bring some really good results. I need to get him IGF-1 labs.

He really needs to get his estrogen down immediately, but I am having him wait a week to start on an AI. I am just trying to change one thing at a time.

If everything goes well I will next switch him to an every 4 day or maybe twice a week injection schedule, still shooting for 1100 total test. Then to heal his dings up I will add deca. If he trusts me I can get him his test and deca for $65 a bottle, much less than what he is paying right now.

A budget of $300 a month (what they charge) should include real GH not just test and peptides.