pro
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Has anyone used zentecpharma , I have seen some good review on one forum but only on that forum
MESO-Rx
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If that ONE FORUM was Eroids, ANY other forum where ZP is a sponsor OR a "source board" that levies a fee for anything from A to Z ignore that "review" and look for SEVERAL others.
If you can't locate any, then it's almost guaranteed this ZP lab is an UGL neophyte and I would strongly suggest YOU STAY AWAY, or accept the high likelihood of being scammed!
If you can't locate any, then it's almost guaranteed this ZP lab is an UGL neophyte and I would strongly suggest YOU STAY AWAY, or accept the high likelihood of being scammed!
WCL
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They are GTG, reputable guys behind it. They are on many private CDN forums
OP what forum was this review posted on. If ZP was a private source that suddenly went "public" I would not even consider using that lab until they have been in the open market for at least 6 months and preferably one year.
Why? Because the final hurrah of a private lab often occurs a few months after they have opened their doors to the public. The idea, relying on private forums customers to boast about their products yet once public sales have "peaked" this new UGL departs never to be seen again.
I ask bc I'm ALWAYS hesitant to believe the spoken words of select members from private forum where everyone has a vested interest and common goal.
Those who disagree with the objectives or those supporting a private forum are banned faster than a New Your minute.
Opinions or reviews from open boards are always the most reliable IME
Why? Because the final hurrah of a private lab often occurs a few months after they have opened their doors to the public. The idea, relying on private forums customers to boast about their products yet once public sales have "peaked" this new UGL departs never to be seen again.
I ask bc I'm ALWAYS hesitant to believe the spoken words of select members from private forum where everyone has a vested interest and common goal.
Those who disagree with the objectives or those supporting a private forum are banned faster than a New Your minute.
Opinions or reviews from open boards are always the most reliable IME
Northern Nutrition
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Zentex is fine. And so is the entire list you sent me. They are all gtg. Pick one.
MEH cyclist
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Hey Im just a random guy who read through all these forums before taking a leap of faith. I can vouch for their test E for sure, I would go as far as saying its probably over dosed as it gave me the test flu every day after the pin for about a month!. Their var I am not yet convinced about
Did you get bloods? Just cause it gave you test flu doesn't mean it's over dosed or G2G
The "test flu" ?
After well over fifty years of TT supplementation for medicinal indications, I'd like to see a reference for that one in the medical literature.
That's bc side effects to medications do NOT correlate with quality, concentration or efficacy, period.
MEH cyclist
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I fully agree with you on that and you are making a great point. The side effects I should vouch for that I saw are testicular atrophy and increased endurance and strength. That being said just from an uneducated, anecdotal point of view isn't this "test-flu" more likely a response to hormonal imbalance? I would think if it was an inflammatory response I would observe it in the area of injection along with sensitivity to touch and heat. And isn't it the case that such inflammatory response is either "learnt" by your immune system in time frame of 48 hours to two weeks or it persist essentially forever ? again I am not an expert just speaking from 3 credits of immunology I took last year. I apologize ahead of time if I am talking out of my ass. For the first 2 weeks I had trouble finding any information relating to what I was experiencing so you are right when you say there is no data supporting what I am saying here
Damn how foolish of me to forget yesterday's prescribing patterns.
To that end it was not that unusual for doctors to await the toxic side effects from some drugs bc blood levels were not available
Three honorable mentions were
Digitalis, Arsenic and Lithium.
These drugs were give until "toxic signs" developed. Such as for Dig we "knew" the level was about right when patients developed a little vomiting but to high when visual changes occurred.
Arsenic, which was used for ailments from constipation to HAs, patients often advanced the dosage until diarrhea occurred and backed off the dosage when paresthesias occurred
Lithiums storied history include early therapy for gout, HTN and obviously mania.
One of the common sides effects was dehydration so it was thought, and to some extent true, whenever patients developed polyphagia any further increase should occur slowly.
I'm sure there are several more I've overlooked BUT people need to understand using adverse effects to guide drug dosing is NOT at all consistent with contemporary medical therapy.
This is another reason "scientific bro dogma" such as the "test flu", a "condition" that lacks scientific proof of it's existence makes legitimate scientists laugh at many of the unread and uneducated posts on AAS forums.
And unfortunately it's also why many professional avoid PED forums like the plague!
Yet that doesn't stop "bros" from writing completely unsubstantiated BS to the contrary.
It's bunk like this which continues to stifle secular acceptance and understanding of AAS.
Jim
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MEH cyclist
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I understand your concern and I not only respect your opinion but I tend to subscribe to it now. That aside however, based on your professional opinion, what would you think causes this "test flu". I can most certainly tell you that this is something I personally experienced, it lasts about 24 hours and then its gone and its symptoms are nearly identical to the flu
Since the "test flu' is NOT a reported side effect of any PHARM GRADE product I've prescribed, one must assume (rightfully IMO) these symptoms are the result of some infectious disease process OR the more likely etiology, contaminants that are ubiquitous to EVERY UGL AAS product.
The latter is based on the testing myself and others have done. They are noted as one or several unidentified HPLC or MS peaks. A common scenario is investigators looking at each other asking the same questions upon observing these "unknown" spikes or peaks that CLEARLY are not associated with the parent compound anabolic agent, "what is that or this or WTF is all this SHIT", NO BULLSHIT!
Want more "proof" go to the HPLC thread I started and see for yourself, and stay tuned bc the MS on the 13 samples I'm currently testing reveals the same junk. I'll post the 13 sample results when the HPLC results are finalized.
Guess WHO would like for those AAS users to believe the TEST FLU is the result of some ridiculous immune or inflammatory response rather than process related contaminants, whether deliberately added as adulterants to increase the raw weight or the unintentional consequence of using production techniques that are either antiquated, adversely effecting purity product yields or fail to remove unwanted compounds.
The latter is based on the testing myself and others have done. They are noted as one or several unidentified HPLC or MS peaks. A common scenario is investigators looking at each other asking the same questions upon observing these "unknown" spikes or peaks that CLEARLY are not associated with the parent compound anabolic agent, "what is that or this or WTF is all this SHIT", NO BULLSHIT!
Want more "proof" go to the HPLC thread I started and see for yourself, and stay tuned bc the MS on the 13 samples I'm currently testing reveals the same junk. I'll post the 13 sample results when the HPLC results are finalized.
Guess WHO would like for those AAS users to believe the TEST FLU is the result of some ridiculous immune or inflammatory response rather than process related contaminants, whether deliberately added as adulterants to increase the raw weight or the unintentional consequence of using production techniques that are either antiquated, adversely effecting purity product yields or fail to remove unwanted compounds.
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A little google search tells us that at TRT doses, flu-like symptoms are a reported side effect. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=testosterone+general+ill+feeling+or+flu-like+symptoms
michaltyler
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The "general ill feeling or flu-like symptoms" are located on a list of side effects that SHOULD BE REPORTED TO YOUR DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY. Leading me to believe that it is not a normal or acceptable side effect of TRT.
I'm not saying it's a healthy side effect, just a possible side effect. Just like swollen ankles and bitch titties.
This kind of reaction may be due to the garbage in your UGL gear, or may be how you react to something in your injection, ie the test, the oil, the alcohol.
This kind of reaction may be due to the garbage in your UGL gear, or may be how you react to something in your injection, ie the test, the oil, the alcohol.
Burr well you ever learn the difference between anecdotal reports, blogs, or forum posts and evidence based literature, obviously NOT!
Adverse effects occur with ALL medications yet that doesn't mean labeling syndromic signs and symptoms the "test flu" is appropriate especially from a diagnostic or causality perspective.
One thing you have proven during your unfortunate tenure on Meso, your a "BRO"!
Adverse effects occur with ALL medications yet that doesn't mean labeling syndromic signs and symptoms the "test flu" is appropriate especially from a diagnostic or causality perspective.
One thing you have proven during your unfortunate tenure on Meso, your a "BRO"!
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Northern Nutrition
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Oh sure it's nothing to worry about bc increasing that UGL dose is the remedy for most .
Although some may "benefit" from switching esters or UGL brands, lol!
MEH cyclist
New Member
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this. Thanks
Once again the infamous Canadian UGL's. Zentec, Eclispe, Newport all the same thing just labeled different. Oh I see NN backing them. lol Of course he is because he sells them via PM.
If these are private sources why the hell are they being brought up in a public forum? I know why, you jack offs are trying to sell them.
mands
If these are private sources why the hell are they being brought up in a public forum? I know why, you jack offs are trying to sell them.
mands
