Starting Tren E/Test ? Cycle HELP!!!!

[GeorgeGlass]

Hey bros. I'm about to start a cycle with the following
AMD Tren Enanthate @ 125mgEOD 1-12
Dude's Test Enanthate @ 187.5mgEOD 1-12
Adex @ 1mg EOD 1-12
Winny @ 50mg ED 6-12
Clomid PCT

And here the questions start. As far as hair goes, I'm thinking 1.25mg Finasteride ED, 2% Nizoral 2XW. Should I throw in topical Spiro? I also realize that I might need Bromocriptine.

Since I'm using Tren, which is going to lean me up, should I switch to Test Prop instead of Test Enanthate to cut down on water retention? I'm really wanting to lean out, and I'm afraid that the Test Enanthate might cause more bloat than I'd like. Also, if I do use the Test Enanthate, I assume it would be okay to switch to 2XW injects? Any input on this and the hairloss is greatly appreciated. Thanks

George

 

[01dragonslayer]

Hey bros. I'm about to start a cycle with the following
AMD Tren Enanthate @ 125mgEOD 1-12
Dude's Test Enanthate @ 187.5mgEOD 1-12
Adex @ 1mg EOD 1-12
Winny @ 50mg ED 6-12
Clomid PCT
Since I'm using Tren, which is going to lean me up, should I switch to Test Prop instead of Test Enanthate to cut down on water retention? I'm really wanting to lean out, and I'm afraid that the Test Enanthate might cause more bloat than I'd like. Also, if I do use the Test Enanthate, I assume it would be okay to switch to 2XW injects?

George

Its all a matter of personal preference here bro. It is possible to cut with test e......in fact I'm doin it right now. Water retention is not much of a factor if proper anti es are supplemented and your diet is in check. If your going to be stickin yourself EOD...why not just go with prop and tren ace? There is no need for EOD injections with enanthate esters. If you decide to run the cycle you have outlined I would bump the winny wks 8-14. This way you'll be cycling right up to your PCT.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Its all a matter of personal preference here bro. It is possible to cut with test e......in fact I'm doin it right now. Water retention is not much of a factor if proper anti es are supplemented and your diet is in check. If your going to be stickin yourself EOD...why not just go with prop and tren ace? There is no need for EOD injections with enanthate esters. If you decide to run the cycle you have outlined I would bump the winny wks 8-14. This way you'll be cycling right up to your PCT.

Dragon, I ws just going to say the same thing. Why are you injecting the Enathate EOD. You don't have to...Thats why they have esters. I would inject twice a week with the tren and test.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Oh and also, is the winny oral?

 

[GeorgeGlass]

Winny and Clomid is Chinaman's. Oral. I knew about the Enanthate not needing to be EOD. Typed it kinda fucked up. I was thinking about the Prop still, as I considered it earlier, and I just didn't make sure that what I typed was what made sense. Sorry about that.

I forget who the hell makes my Adex. 1mg white tabs.

Dragon, help me out with the water retention. What would be any other suggestable anti-e's, and what should I eat/not eat to help with it?

Dosing sound about right?
Test E 312.5 1.25mL E3D
Tren E 187.75 .75mL E3D
That's bumping the test a little from what I originally planned, but not much. Make it 729mg Test/week.

 

[rjx]

Just take the test enth and 1mg adex ED. You might get a bit more bloated with the enth, but once the cycle ends it shouldn't matter.

If you are cuting, its all about the diet!

 

[GeorgeGlass]

Just take the test enth and 1mg adex ED. You might get a bit more bloated with the enth, but once the cycle ends it shouldn't matter.

If you are cuting, its all about the diet!

Is that not a little on the high side for adex. Not trying to bitch at your for giving advice, just asking. Also, how long do you think it will take for the water weight to come off? I guess I could get some Lasix for post cycle to help. I REALLY don't want to get bloated, though. Last cycle I ran IPSust250 and IPDeca and my face swelled up something awful.

 

[rjx]

1mg a day would be the most anyone should take. Just depends on the person.
You could take .5 per day, 1 EOD or ED. Just depends...

 

[GeorgeGlass]

Should prog be a problem? Also, what would you prefer, bromo or T3?

 

[GeorgeGlass]

Oh yeah, one more thing. Are we talking minimal bloat, probably, because it's tren, and because of Adex?

 

[Deacon]

IMO run tren acetate with test prop and run test enth or cyp with tren enth

dont shoot tren enth eod - shoot it twice a week with the test

I am just finishing test cyp and tren enth except with EQ thrown in - bro it is killer!

 

[GeorgeGlass]

How are the results, Deacon? Size, Strength, Fat, Bloat?

And how long did it take for the Tren Enanthate to kick in? I assume the time it takes for Test Enanthate to kick in would be about the same.

George

 

[01dragonslayer]

Dragon, help me out with the water retention. What would be any other suggestable anti-e's, and what should I eat/not eat to help with it?

Dosing sound about right?

IMO 1mg Adex may be a little overkill. .5mg should be fine and remember you can always adjust accordingly. As always have your nolva and bromo on hand. IMO diet is the absolute key to ANY cutting cycle and it'll vary depending on metabolism, training intensity, any possible fat burners that are included into your cycle, etc. Nobody knows your body more than you bro...so you know what your diets gonna look like. IMO.....a diet high in protein, low in carbs and low in fat. Doses look good.

 

[GeorgeGlass]

How does 100 5mg Bromo tabs for $140 look?

Does ancillaryguys.com's price for liquid Finasteride look good? $50 for 30ml @ 5mg/mL

Oh yeah, won't the insane gains from the tren help to keep the fat gain minimal?

 

[rjx]

Also, if adex isn't working well for you at the higher doses, you might want to try femara or aromasin.

 

[GeorgeGlass]

Also, if adex isn't working well for you at the higher doses, you might want to try femara or aromasin.

Guess I can just forget about a sex drive with Femara, from what I've read. What's in Aromasin?

 

[rjx]

Guess I can just forget about a sex drive with Femara, from what I've read. What's in Aromasin?

http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/druginfo/aromasin.HTM

"What's in Aromasin"
Active ingredient is exemestane.

Exemestane, an irreversible, steroidal aromatase inactivator. Exemestane is chemically described as 6-methylenandrosta-1,4-diene-3, 17-dione. Its molecular formula is C20H24O2.

Each AROMASIN Tablet contains the following inactive ingredients: mannitol, crospovidone, polysorbate 80, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, colloidal silicon dioxide, microcrystalline cellulose, sodium starch glycolate, magnesium stearate, simethicone, polyethylene glycol 6000, sucrose, magnesium carbonate, titanium dioxide, methylparaben, and polyvinyl alcohol.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/exemest.htm

 

[01dragonslayer]

How does 100 5mg Bromo tabs for $140 look?
Oh yeah, won't the insane gains from the tren help to keep the fat gain minimal?

Thats a good deal on the bromo. On of the great properties of tren is that it has the ability to burn fat. Even so.......your diet is key.

 

[01dragonslayer]

Guess I can just forget about a sex drive with Femara, from what I've read.

I've never had a prob with Femara. IMO it sheds water like no other and it has been shown to icreases your IGF levels. I'm currently using 1.25mg/ED and I'm CONSTANTLY thinking about sex.

 

[Deacon]

How are the results, Deacon? Size, Strength, Fat, Bloat?

And how long did it take for the Tren Enanthate to kick in? I assume the time it takes for Test Enanthate to kick in would be about the same.

George

well for me I used d-bol also as a kicker but I swear the tren enth kicked in in 3 weeks - usually takes about 4 for cyp to kick in for me

I am on week ten and just ready to finish the tren - I will continue with test cyp EQ and deca for another 15 weeks.

As of week ten I have gained 15 pounds of solid weight - I have lost fat from my abs and sides where I had some love handles before when I would bulk. I am leaner and stronger bench for example up 30 pounds - I have added real quality muscle to my whole body and I am completely surprised by what the tren has done. I have used almost everything from one time to another but never had this kind of muscle gains - pure muscle gains.