Psychiatrist are taking low T seriously. Symptoms of depression low energy ect. For men the usual depression meds. May no longer be the best answer. Do your home work first. No more worrying about delivery, quality, or source drying up. Pharmacies never run out of quality product. The fact is there are no normal levels of testosterone. Everyone is different. Recommend 35 and older only. Pain meds naturally lower levels as well as many other factors. Highly recommended to pay cash in order to get oils. Those are cheaper. Insurance will get you creams. Some will think I'm full of shit. While others will be pissed caused they cant sell their bullshit anymore. Others will be presently surprised with a life time legal supply. Worked for me I was not expecting it either. Best wishes for all.
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I know you are just trying to help, but you are preaching to the choir.
There are volumes of info on TRT here at Meso, we do our homework.
If you look harder you can probably find a Dr to prescribe you injections, and quit paying cash.
Nobody here sells bullshit.
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While I typically avoid posts like this, I felt it necessary to respond in the hopes of understanding your logic and reasoning. I do realize you are trying to help members by encouraging the safe use of prescription therapies vs underground laboratories.
Are you implying that testosterone not only has proven clinical data for the treatment of depression outside of patients lacking endocrine abnormalities, but also that it should be solicited from providers outside of the basic fields of medicine (endo,uro,primary etc?)
Also, where are you getting your data regarding insurance not covering injectable testosterone? Testosterone cypionate is the most commonly prescribed and dispensed form of testosterone within the United States. Generally when insurance has issues with these prescriptions it is not due to the formulation or delivery method chosen, but the legitimacy and medical necessity of the therapy. We can debate for ages about what "normal" testosterone levels are etc, while not fair or concrete, the medical community has established their guidelines for a reason and for the sake of argument we will set those aside as neither you nor I are qualified to determine them.
I'm not sure if this post was written in the hopes of encouraging some of the (estimated*) 4 to 5 million males in America suffering from hypogonadism to seek treatment options, or if it was a thinly veiled attempt to get the many users of anabolic hormones to somehow use a loophole to legalize the use of these drugs?
I'm not patronizing you, nor am I attempting to stir up any internet drama. I'm genuinely trying to understand your goal with this post. Genuine hormone replacement therapy isn't a temporary thing, nor is it something to toy around with as a way to get legal pharmaceutical grade product. It's a legitimate therapeutic treatment used for people suffering from a clinically diagnosed condition. On the flip side of the coin, the use of these hormones without medical necessity is prevalent, and using underground laboratories comes with the territory. As they say "this is the game we play." Many of the people who partake in the use of these substances don't have hypogonadism, they are simply using them for aesthetic or personal purposes.
Are you implying that testosterone not only has proven clinical data for the treatment of depression outside of patients lacking endocrine abnormalities, but also that it should be solicited from providers outside of the basic fields of medicine (endo,uro,primary etc?)
Also, where are you getting your data regarding insurance not covering injectable testosterone? Testosterone cypionate is the most commonly prescribed and dispensed form of testosterone within the United States. Generally when insurance has issues with these prescriptions it is not due to the formulation or delivery method chosen, but the legitimacy and medical necessity of the therapy. We can debate for ages about what "normal" testosterone levels are etc, while not fair or concrete, the medical community has established their guidelines for a reason and for the sake of argument we will set those aside as neither you nor I are qualified to determine them.
I'm not sure if this post was written in the hopes of encouraging some of the (estimated*) 4 to 5 million males in America suffering from hypogonadism to seek treatment options, or if it was a thinly veiled attempt to get the many users of anabolic hormones to somehow use a loophole to legalize the use of these drugs?
I'm not patronizing you, nor am I attempting to stir up any internet drama. I'm genuinely trying to understand your goal with this post. Genuine hormone replacement therapy isn't a temporary thing, nor is it something to toy around with as a way to get legal pharmaceutical grade product. It's a legitimate therapeutic treatment used for people suffering from a clinically diagnosed condition. On the flip side of the coin, the use of these hormones without medical necessity is prevalent, and using underground laboratories comes with the territory. As they say "this is the game we play." Many of the people who partake in the use of these substances don't have hypogonadism, they are simply using them for aesthetic or personal purposes.
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Well stated brother. I see you
Intense
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The OP almost reads as an ad for a pharmaceutical website or something. lol
Well put. This is exactly the same type of thought process I used when deciding to pursue therapeutic TRT for a medically diagnosed condition. It's not a decision made on a whim.
I thought the same thing.
I see where ironhead is coming from. Several members post every week about bad experiences using ugl.... 99% of them is due to a lack of research and not partaking in conversation on here..... Most bad experiences come from new members who have worked out for 2 months and are not seeing gains as quickly as they hoped so they hop on google and find meso..... A few weeks later they are wondering where there package is....
TRT is a great idea for people who truly need it and for those who have went through the proper channels to get it and monitor the use and it's effectiveness....
My wife is a NP and she writes scripts almost daily for men who have low T...she has a endocrinologist who oversees her files and double check her diagnosis of each and every patient. The endo thinks she should prescribe more than she does. He is a huge fan of giving testosterone to men 35 and older who have a wide range of symptoms from low energy to depression to anxiety.....
There are so many new studies being published weekly that show the positive affect testosterone in low doses is having on the middle aged man. Amazing results. The thing we all have to keep in mind is this.... Back in the 80's and early 90's the big thing for women was hormone therapy.... I know it's a different animal all together and is very hard to compare to men and testosterone therapy but doctors thought it was the greatest thing in the world and women were loving life and living it the the fullest potential.... The positive feedback was so good that some docs thought it would become a standard practice for all women over 40......fast forward about 5 to 10 years and those same women were going through menopause and having horrendous negative effects.... Suicide and depression was being reported by a majority of the same women who took hormone therapy.
What we need to keep in mind is yes that testosterone treatment is a great thing and hopefully it Continues to be a great thing. But in 10 to 15 years from now when those 35 year old men are 50, let's just hope we don't experience the same negative impact that the women did...... It's a fairly new therapy that docs are prescribing at a crazy high rate.
Do some research on the womens hormone replacement therapy and see if they don't sound like 1 in the same.
All in all though I do appreciate where the OP, ironhead was going with his post...he was trying to help.
TRT is a great idea for people who truly need it and for those who have went through the proper channels to get it and monitor the use and it's effectiveness....
My wife is a NP and she writes scripts almost daily for men who have low T...she has a endocrinologist who oversees her files and double check her diagnosis of each and every patient. The endo thinks she should prescribe more than she does. He is a huge fan of giving testosterone to men 35 and older who have a wide range of symptoms from low energy to depression to anxiety.....
There are so many new studies being published weekly that show the positive affect testosterone in low doses is having on the middle aged man. Amazing results. The thing we all have to keep in mind is this.... Back in the 80's and early 90's the big thing for women was hormone therapy.... I know it's a different animal all together and is very hard to compare to men and testosterone therapy but doctors thought it was the greatest thing in the world and women were loving life and living it the the fullest potential.... The positive feedback was so good that some docs thought it would become a standard practice for all women over 40......fast forward about 5 to 10 years and those same women were going through menopause and having horrendous negative effects.... Suicide and depression was being reported by a majority of the same women who took hormone therapy.
What we need to keep in mind is yes that testosterone treatment is a great thing and hopefully it Continues to be a great thing. But in 10 to 15 years from now when those 35 year old men are 50, let's just hope we don't experience the same negative impact that the women did...... It's a fairly new therapy that docs are prescribing at a crazy high rate.
Do some research on the womens hormone replacement therapy and see if they don't sound like 1 in the same.
All in all though I do appreciate where the OP, ironhead was going with his post...he was trying to help.
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