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suggestions on cycle
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joe shmoe
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i suggest you post some more info, like height, weight, age, years traing, what # cycle, goals.
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joe shmoe
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i think some/most people who have a problem with recovery from deca didnt stop the deca at the right time. it'll take longer to clear than test, as you know since you were going to stop it at week 12 and keep test going to week 16.
if you dont want to use deca, use EQ at the same dose.
personally i'd run the test/EQ instead of higher dose test. higher dose test will usually result in more sides. lower dose test, with EQ, will have less sides....less acne, less water retention, lower chances of gyno.
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if you dont want to use deca, use EQ at the same dose.
personally i'd run the test/EQ instead of higher dose test. higher dose test will usually result in more sides. lower dose test, with EQ, will have less sides....less acne, less water retention, lower chances of gyno.
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mid life crisis
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2nd....
2nd post where I have to say Joe nailed it. Do 750mg test/400-600mg EQ. Though you could also do a test/d-bol/EQ cycle with lower doses as well (say 500mg test/400mg EQ/40mg d-bol a day).joe shmoe said:
HCG + antiestrogen
This is an agressive cycle if you are new to taking gear. Its kinda like if you put more gas in your car does not mean it will go faster. I would stick to the 750 test going up to 400/ deca. I dont like anadrol but if you are going to take it, make sure you divide your doses up. and Drink a lot of water.
Wether you front load or ramp up and down is always a debatable question. Personally for long (12+ week) cycles i like to ramp up and down. for short (6-8 week) cycles I front load.
Do you plan to take HCG at the end and what type of antiestrogena are you planning to take? Cus you need to take at least some nolvadex.
Just my two cents
Scruf
This is an agressive cycle if you are new to taking gear. Its kinda like if you put more gas in your car does not mean it will go faster. I would stick to the 750 test going up to 400/ deca. I dont like anadrol but if you are going to take it, make sure you divide your doses up. and Drink a lot of water.
Wether you front load or ramp up and down is always a debatable question. Personally for long (12+ week) cycles i like to ramp up and down. for short (6-8 week) cycles I front load.
Do you plan to take HCG at the end and what type of antiestrogena are you planning to take? Cus you need to take at least some nolvadex.
Just my two cents
Scruf
crowman169
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go big or go home. ill vouch that he is a big guy and probably stronger than most who have run a dozen cycles. Go with the high dose. you wont go wrong with it
i have never taken hcg, but i have also never had a problem recovering after a cycle, as for the anti estrogens i was planning on running nolva throughout and i will have liquidex on hand,
for a 16 week cycle (running 750/week test) will clomid be enough for me to recover or do you think hcg is needed
for a 16 week cycle (running 750/week test) will clomid be enough for me to recover or do you think hcg is needed
18gauge said:
For me hcg completely eliminates the dip in my testosterone levels after I get off a long cycle. Basically after a long cycle I wont get that two to three weeks of ass dragging that i get if i dont have hcg.
Nolvadex is a perfect antiestrogen to take on this cycle.
As for the clomid, I personally have never taken it but have heard it helps when you get off the gear.. Yet from what i understand it is an anti estorgen and you are already taking the Nolvadex (I really dont know much about Clomid). HCG kick starts your natural testosterone and that is why you take it at the end of your cycle.
Good luck
BigJimWest
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who needs clomid anyway coming off is a waste of time and you know your not going to do it anyway. if i were you i would drop the nolva not come off but definitly use hcg. ive seen what your nuts look like when your on for a long time and its kind of scary.
crowman169
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lmfao. i agree, funny looking nuts. hahaha
joe shmoe
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ramping up and down is old school thinking. it does nothing but waste gear and time.
if you frontload, you dont need an oral. if you want to take an oral, thats fine. but then theres no need to frontload.
clomid is a weak anti-e. not recommended for the purpose of fighting gyno symptoms. arimidex or nolvadex is for that. hCG doesnt really "kick start your natural test production"....hCG is more for getting your nuts back to normal size so they can produce test again. clomid helps in kick starting your production back once the testicles are back to normal size.
when you say liquidex...do you mean arimidex? if so, then i would use the arimi ED and save the nolva just incase. arimi helps prevent the conversion of test into estrogen....thereby doing 2 things. helps prevent gyno by lowering estrogen levels, and helps prevent bloat. nolva does nothing for the conversion process. nolva binds itself to the receptors in the breast tissue that the estrogen would bind to, causing symptoms of gyno. i always use arimi...for the above 2 reasons. but i always have nolva when the arimi isnt enough. when that happens, i drop 40mg of nolva for 2-3 days and i'm good to go.
have a nice day
if you frontload, you dont need an oral. if you want to take an oral, thats fine. but then theres no need to frontload.
clomid is a weak anti-e. not recommended for the purpose of fighting gyno symptoms. arimidex or nolvadex is for that. hCG doesnt really "kick start your natural test production"....hCG is more for getting your nuts back to normal size so they can produce test again. clomid helps in kick starting your production back once the testicles are back to normal size.
when you say liquidex...do you mean arimidex? if so, then i would use the arimi ED and save the nolva just incase. arimi helps prevent the conversion of test into estrogen....thereby doing 2 things. helps prevent gyno by lowering estrogen levels, and helps prevent bloat. nolva does nothing for the conversion process. nolva binds itself to the receptors in the breast tissue that the estrogen would bind to, causing symptoms of gyno. i always use arimi...for the above 2 reasons. but i always have nolva when the arimi isnt enough. when that happens, i drop 40mg of nolva for 2-3 days and i'm good to go.
have a nice day
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