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Surely this phisisque assisted?
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Actually I've seen very similar physiques when I was in the feds.....even on yards where there wasn't a weight pile....diet plus genetics and nothing to do but work out....so yes (not saying he's natural) but yeah very possible
Delts are usually a dead giveaway. Good chance this is natural.
Slowww
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Legs, shoulders, & traps don’t look typical of an enhanced person or even developed very much, looks naturally attainable. That being said I wouldn’t put it past a pro boxer to use PEDS especially when he has at points been given scheduled tests, only 4 weeks out of fights by VADA which gives a lot of space for doping
Why does it matter? What one can or cannot achieve is highly individual, so the answer to your question is NOT relevant to your situation; even if this WAS in fact natural, it wouldn't mean that a similar result is possible for you (naturally).
Yeah he's 100% right, half the people in prison look like this, Christ I've seen even bigger from a pull up and dip bar, nothing else. Alot of its genetics.. when you can do 50 strict form pullups and dips at a clip, and pump out 500 reps like it's nothing , you will look like this. There's men in there '50s and '60s walking around everywhere looking like this, lifer's... Blew me away the first couple times I saw it, people brag about doing 20 good pull-ups on the outside in a gym, and usually their forms sucks anyways, you see guys in there just do unbelievable things, perfect form.. They could go on for hours an hours, It's fucking bizarre, then you get out and go to your local gym and look around and you don't know what to think.. It's like you're in a totally different world, people think they are in shape, they don't know what the word means, lock a man in and a cage for 30 years, then you'll see what is really possible
Guys literally look like they have a duffel bag under each arm because their lats get so big, every single muscle on there body ripped and defined, It's unbelievable what you can do naturally with calisthenics.. It just takes a lot longer than with weights, giant fucking chest, you would swear they had to be lifting weights somewhere, but they're not, lmao . A lot of it is genetics some guys have it and some don't. They can do the same thing with a 30 lb laundry bag of books, huge fucking biceps, then you go to the local gym and see guys curling '50s and '60s and don't have half the arms,lol. I had a cell mate like that, they called him pipes because his arms were so big, and he told me one day, everybody thinks I curl these big ass weights, the biggest dumbbells I use at home are a 35 and 40 pounder.
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The dude had biceps on top of biceps, veins ripping out of everywhere, I'd watch him curl that bag of books all the time, And he would do pull-ups for hours like it was nothing. It's absolutely amazing what can be done with very little weight at all, and people don't realize it everybody just thinks it's steroids, It's the methods used,not drugs.
AlexDavis43
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Maybe natty
Definitely skips leg day
Definitely skips leg day
Ateam2023
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natty for sure, no legs , shoulders aren't capped , thats a calisthenics physique,,
Sometimes the PED community tries to discourage others from using PEDs often by claiming certain things are achievable naturally and thats what i think is happening in this comment section.
The "it's genetics" argument is as valid as "Because God willed it!" without actually having the genetic sequence of the person in question and identifying a mutation or some genes responsible for a different physique. With how prevalent gear use is i'd say you would more often be right to assume someone is on PEDs rather than that they have good genetics.
The "it's genetics" argument is as valid as "Because God willed it!" without actually having the genetic sequence of the person in question and identifying a mutation or some genes responsible for a different physique. With how prevalent gear use is i'd say you would more often be right to assume someone is on PEDs rather than that they have good genetics.
Unless you did time like a bunch of us have you have no clue what we are talking about, but basically it removes PEDs completely from the argument, And it settles everything once and for all ,nattys simply can't use that as part of the explanation anymore...I'm talking about people locked up in the state prison system, half the population walks around jacked from calisthenics, far bigger than most people you see in any gym lifting heavy weights for years and years at a time. And they're not on the steroids I don't care what kind of conspiracy theory horseshit people try to pass on about oh.. There's steroids in jail too! Yeah maybe if you're the f****** king don And you can afford a couple thousand dollar a week habbit, cuz that's what it would cost to get them in there. It is genetics ,It all comes down genetics, everywhere on every f****** corner of the planet, And that's the thing that people don't like to accept, It just doesn't sit well with them, because somebody else has them and they don't, so all they can do is scream steroid abuse from the rooftops. You think the other half of them guys in there aren't working out just as hard? Trust me they are, they are in the same group doing the same exercises, but they just don't look the same and they never will,if your genetics suck you're not going to look like the guy standing next to you. I don't care how hard you work out ,it's just the facts of life. Well people on PEDs workout different than nattys! Once again complete nonsense, you can get big 90 different ways, with heavyweights with lightweights with weights in between, with five reps, with 90 reps, but if you don't have the genetics, it just ain't f****** happening.
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It's like lee priest said, If you could be as big as a goddamn house you, f****** would be, but you're not so shut the f****** up,lol If you can't get f****** jacked without them, You're never going to get jacked with them, That's basically what that means. The whole Natty versus genetics argument needs to die, It does come down to genetics It always has and it always will.
I went to the same gym as Regan Grimes when I was living in london. He was 17/18 ish at the time natural and looked yolked out of his mind. When he started gear the way he blew up was insane. Looked incredible before and looked insane after.
Some peoples genes are insane. His back was developed before he even learned how to train back properly
Ateam2023
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We had a guy in our Sofmore/junior High school class hitting three plates with high reps , like 15+ , he was huge af had the Arnold Swarzanegger type chest and develpment , he lived in a group home near the High School, He was Phillapino/Mexican , i think we were 16 yo ,, good times,,
malfeasance
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Lee Priest is full of it.
Anybody can get "jacked" with steroids, nutrition, and intense training.
There is no genetic scrawny 90 pound dude after 12 weeks of eating 250 grams of protein daily on a 3500-4000 calories a day diet, training hard, and injecting 500mg of testosterone a week.
Then the next cycle, at 600test/300deca, and more calories, and progressive training . . .
Put the dude under the watchful eye of a solid coach, have him do whatever he is told and put in the effort with no excuses, and he will grow. A year or two later he will be unrecognizable as his former weakling self.
Genetics?
Genetics may keep you from being Mr. Olympia. They may even keep you from turning pro in open class. They are not, however, going to keep you from becoming "jacked," much less the Lee Priest claim that you "are never going to get jacked with them." THat's BS. The steroids will override your supposedly bad genetics, big time.
Guys who fail with steroids are guys who, mostly, do not eat correctly, and sometimes, do not train correctly, and, occasionally, both incorrectly. <-- and even they get some results.
I won't even waste my breath on more than a couple sentences, there's a large part of the population that steroids simply do not work for, I don't care how dialed in your food and training is. It's a proven f****** fact some people respond to them like a mothefucker, And some people they would get better results from a tub of creatine powder, A large part of the population you could throw every drug at them in the kitchen sink, And it's not going to change them a bit maybe put 5 or 10 lb on them if they're lucky, they're not a magic bullet and they don't work for everybody.
That's why they say if you couldn't do it natural you'll never do it on drugs, because that's an immediate red flag that you have shit genetics,he is just one of hundreds even thousands of professional bodybuilders who stated the exact same fact so if you don't like him pick your favorite they're all going to tell you the same thing. He was f****** jacked long before he touched juice just like any other professional bodybuilder, It doesn't work the other way around no matter who you aren't
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Some people's receptors just do not react to them at all, It doesn't matter how much protein and exercise you throw at them, They will always be skinny, lean, and strong you can't polish a turd and you can't change what the fuck, you were born with.That's the problem with most people today They think they can use drugs and it just magically makes you grow ,like miracle grow on a plant,steroids don't rewrite your DNA All they do is enhance what you already were gifted with,there's no drug on the face of the planet that can change that, except maybe HGH, which is something that's been argued for decades, It's theorized that it can create completely new satellite cells and new muscle tissue that never existed,instead of just making what you have grow.
