Sust and Anavar

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I am planning on doing a Sust and Anavar stack for 10 weeks. I am looking to gain alot of strength and gain a little mass. I will be on a strict diet and running also to lose fat. I am about 6'4 315lbs and I am not sure of my BF. I was wondering if this is a good dosage. Also, should I run A-dex during this cycle and if so how much. Here is what my cycle looks like:

Weeks 1-10: Sustanon @ 500mgs a week
Weeks 5-10: Anavar @ 45mgs ED

I heard not to run anavar till your 4th week into sust. I would appreciate any comments on this. Please post cycle if you have a better one. Thanks.

 

[Pablo escabar jr.]

I'd add Winstrol @ 100mg ED for the first 4 weeks, And an ECA stack through out cycle and post cycle recovery. @ 45mg of var ED should help cut you up pretty good. Just be sure to clean up the diet and add some serious cardio and I think you'll be more then pleased, rember the harder you work the better you look.

Pablo Escabar Jr.

 

[joe shmoe]

also, if strength is what you're after then use tren. 75mg/ED and you'll become amazingly stronger.

have a nice day

 

[bigpun]

Schmoe, are you saying that I should replace the anavar with tren or should I just add tren to the stack with Sust and anavar? If so should I run it throughout the cycle with the sust?

Pablo, Would tren be better than winny like joe said? Please post a cycle that you think is best with this gear?

 

[Pablo escabar jr.]

Cycle suggestion:

Sust @ 500mg Per week for weeks 1-10
Tren @ 75mg ed/150mg EOD for weeks 1-8
Anvar @ 45mg ED for weeks 5-10

Joe Shmoe is right on about the Tren and strength, it will also help tremendiously with your vascularity and pre-work out drive. This seems like a solid cycle with a low possibility of sides including water retention. You could also throw in some Winny as well for the first 4 weeks if it's affordable for you, along with the Sust and Tren the winny would be a very good choice, then switch it up with the Anvar to finish up.

Pablo Escabar Jr.

 

[joe shmoe]

pablo laid out a good cycle for you. personally, i prefer to stay anabolic in atleast a minor way right up till PCT. so if you choose to go with his cycle, run the anavar till you start recovery. also, maybe think about running the tren till the end with the sust.

so, it could look something like this:

weeks 1-10: sust @ 500mg/wk

weeks 1-10: tren 75mg/ED(you could start with 50mg/ED and bump it to 75mg/ED after a week or two if you're not happy with the results. just remember about the added agression that most get from using tren)

weeks 1-4: winny @ 50mg/ED if injectable..75-100mg/ED if oral.

weeks 8-13: var @ whatever dose you can afford up to 50mg/ED(this will keep you somewhat anabolic till the sust clears that you stopped at week 10).

weeks 13-15/16 your planned PCT

if you'll be using hCG, plan on running it for 10 days PRIOR to starting PCT. so it would be about the middle of week 11 and all of week 12. hCG should end as PCT begins.

have a nice day

 

[bigpun]

Thanks for your input pablo and joe. I appreciate all of the help yall have given me. That looks like a good cycle joe and I will probably do that. What kind of PCT should I run after this cycle? Nolvadex or Clomid and how much? I should start the HCG towards the end of the cycle but how much a week? Thanks for the input. Please help me out with this

 

[joe shmoe]

here you go...read this:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/26

there's info there about recovery too. usually we direct newbies to this from the get go, but between pablo and me, you have a pretty good cycle laid out. but read the above anyway. good info about gyno and anti-e's too.

if you have anymore questions after reading the article, just post it here in this thread and pablo or me or someone else will help you out.

BTW..is this your first cycle? what are your stats...age/height/weight/BF%/years traing?

have a nice day

 

[bigpun]

Thanks for the thread Joe, I read it and it helped me out a little. This will be my second cycle, I did a cycle of winny and clen last summer but didnt know too much about it then. I am 6'4 and 315lbs, I am 20 years old and am one a D1 college football team. I have been training for about 5 years for football. I am looking to gain alot of strength over the summer with a little more solid mass. I also want to trim the fat off with proper diet and cardio. Would I still get good results without doing the tren in this cycle? It is just so expensive I dont know if I can afford it? Should I run A-dex throughout the cycle and if so then how much? I will start the HCG at the time you said and should I just take 1000IU's everyday for 10 days? Should I just follow the PCT on the thread? Post a PCT if you know a good one for me after this cycle. Thanks

 

[joe shmoe]

hCG use gets varying opinions on the board...how much, when, how often. but you cant go wrong if you use it for 10 days, @ 1000 iu's ED. the 10 days should be at the end, right before you start PCT. so if you'll be starting PCT week 13, count back 10 days like i wrote in the other post.

if you cant afford the tren, then fine, dont use it. but i'd rather drop the anavar and winny, and add tren if i wanted to gain strength.

as for arimidex(a-dex), yes, you can run it through-out the cycle to help keep bloat off. if you do, then run it @ .25mg/ED or .5mg/EOD. if you dont want to, thats OK too but know that you'll look a bit bloated. you'll need some nolva incase gyno symptoms come around. do a search for anti-e in this forum for more info.

have a nice day

 

[bigpun]

What size needle should I use with Sust and Tren? Is 25 too small or should I just use a 23 guage? Could I mix these two in the same syringe to shoot or not? BUMP

 

[joe shmoe]

OY VEY....A TOTAL NEWBIE .

yes, you can use a 25g, but it'll be a bit harder to push. in your case, since you really are totally green to this, a 25g might be a good choice. when using a 23g, sometimes one might push too quickly, leaving a knot type feeling at the injection point. pushing slower helps prevent that...so a 25g would kind of force you to push the oil in slower just because of the diameter of the needle. also, a 25 will cause less scar tissue than a 23.

yes, you can mix both together.

have a nice day

 

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Can I also draw it out of the vial with the 25g? Do you know if Ironworks is a good source for tren? If not, do you know any good sources?

 

[joe shmoe]

THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR SOURCE QUESTIONS!! THAT IS DISCUSSED IN THE CLASSIFIEDS SECTION, AND MODS DO NOT RECOMMEND SOURCES

now as for your question, you can draw with the needle you shoot with, but most guys get some 18g or 20g needles to draw with. its faster and it keeps your shooting needle sharp.

have a nice day