T3 information

[Magadan]

hi all,

Firstly I just want to say I've tried searching for the last few days to get the answer I have been looking for, with no success. Second; if the thread exists please let me know.

I'm trying to get the most comprehensive assessment of T3 including dosages, PCT (if at all), tapering off and sides. Reason being is my initial research gave the usual about irrepairable damage to the body, and then I stumbled across a science journal detailing the opposite of the common held "fucked for life if you screw up" theory. Any help with this would be appreciated. Looking to incorporate it shortly but id like to read as much research as possible (without forgetting).

M

 

[Rudeness]

hi all,

Firstly I just want to say I've tried searching for the last few days to get the answer I have been looking for, with no success. Second; if the thread exists please let me know.

I'm trying to get the most comprehensive assessment of T3 including dosages, PCT (if at all), tapering off and sides. Reason being is my initial research gave the usual about irrepairable damage to the body, and then I stumbled across a science journal detailing the opposite of the common held "fucked for life if you screw up" theory. Any help with this would be appreciated. Looking to incorporate it shortly but id like to read as much research as possible (without forgetting).

M

What specifically are your questions?

 

[Magadan]

What specifically are your questions?

*smacks head* I told myself to wait until I got home (I was at work when I typed that thread).

So my questions are;

1) Because of what I had found regarding effects on the thyroid being contradictory to what I believed was common knowledge - is T3 as damaging to the thyroid as is widely accepted?

Source:Cytomel (T3) Dosage - Steroidal.com

It's basically saying "everything you thought is pretty much wrong".

2) Taper off vs. cold turkey when ending a cycle - can't find the definitive "you must do this" method when it comes to ending a cycle particularly to avoid as many sides as possible (needlessly of course).

3) any gains made during a cycle are able to be maintained or are they for the duration of the cycle? For instance 10kg lost during a cycle is put back on regardless.

 

[GearGodess]

T3 is a thyroid hormone, no PCT needed. It is definitely recommended to taper up then down, at least in my experience. Less chances of rebound and bringing your natural back to life.

What exactly are you wanting to use it for? Your stats, diet, training, cardio?

 

[Rudeness]

*smacks head* I told myself to wait until I got home (I was at work when I typed that thread).

So my questions are;

1) Because of what I had found regarding effects on the thyroid being contradictory to what I believed was common knowledge - is T3 as damaging to the thyroid as is widely accepted?

Source:Cytomel (T3) Dosage - Steroidal.com

It's basically saying "everything you thought is pretty much wrong".

2) Taper off vs. cold turkey when ending a cycle - can't find the definitive "you must do this" method when it comes to ending a cycle particularly to avoid as many sides as possible (needlessly of course).

3) any gains made during a cycle are able to be maintained or are they for the duration of the cycle? For instance 10kg lost during a cycle is put back on regardless.

As with anything else there is use and there is abuse. My statements are based on personal experience and responsible use. If abused, I'm sure there are a wide variety of long-term effects that are not fully known.

It was believed in the past that T3 could cause permanent suppression, but has since been shown to not directly damage the thyroid. It will however suppress production of T4, during T3 use and for a period of time after discontinuation. Recovery period will vary depending on individual, dose and time on, but normally thyroid is back to 100% in 2-4 weeks.

You will want to taper up and taper down. The reason for this is that your thyroid produces T4, which is a storage hormone with a much longer halflife than T3. You convert T4 to T3 from your bodies T4 reserves. After a period of T3 use, your body has depleted it's T4 reserves and is utilizing only the T3 you are giving it. When stopping cold turkey it can and has caused major medical issues.

I'm guessing by gains you mean losses? No... you will not put the weight back on, unless you allow it. Of course you may pickup a lb or two during recovery, but diet will determine how much. You will also want to remember that T3 in higher amounts will also cause the loss of muscle mass in addition to fat loss.

 

[Dr JIM]

As with anything else there is use and there is abuse. My statements are based on personal experience and responsible use. If abused, I'm sure there are a wide variety of long-term effects that are not fully known.

It was believed in the past that T3 could cause permanent suppression, but has since been shown to not directly damage the thyroid. It will however suppress production of T4, during T3 use and for a period of time after discontinuation. Recovery period will vary depending on individual, dose and time on, but normally thyroid is back to 100% in 2-4 weeks.

You will want to taper up and taper down. The reason for this is that your thyroid produces T4, which is a storage hormone with a much longer halflife than T3. You convert T4 to T3 from your bodies T4 reserves. After a period of T3 use, your body has depleted it's T4 reserves and is utilizing only the T3 you are giving it. When stopping cold turkey it can and has caused major medical issues.

I'm guessing by gains you mean losses? No... you will not put the weight back on, unless you allow it. Of course you may pickup a lb or two during recovery, but diet will determine how much. You will also want to remember that T3 in higher amounts will also cause the loss of muscle mass in addition to fat loss.

Why it seems you have answered your own questions, surprised NOT

 

[TheBeat]

As with anything else there is use and there is abuse. My statements are based on personal experience and responsible use. If abused, I'm sure there are a wide variety of long-term effects that are not fully known.

It was believed in the past that T3 could cause permanent suppression, but has since been shown to not directly damage the thyroid. It will however suppress production of T4, during T3 use and for a period of time after discontinuation. Recovery period will vary depending on individual, dose and time on, but normally thyroid is back to 100% in 2-4 weeks.

You will want to taper up and taper down. The reason for this is that your thyroid produces T4, which is a storage hormone with a much longer halflife than T3. You convert T4 to T3 from your bodies T4 reserves. After a period of T3 use, your body has depleted it's T4 reserves and is utilizing only the T3 you are giving it. When stopping cold turkey it can and has caused major medical issues.

I'm guessing by gains you mean losses? No... you will not put the weight back on, unless you allow it. Of course you may pickup a lb or two during recovery, but diet will determine how much. You will also want to remember that T3 in higher amounts will also cause the loss of muscle mass in addition to fat loss.

I agree with everything except the reason for your need to taper down- what are the medical issues that it can and HAS caused? just curious, I always do a short taper down but have never heard of confirmed medical issues other than recovery which is present at any dose with not tapering.

 

[Dr JIM]

Synthroid has a half life of some 5-7 DAYS and does not require "tapering" at therapeutic dosages.

 

[Rudeness]

Synthroid has a half life of some 5-7 DAYS and does not require "tapering" at therapeutic dosages.

May want to change your name genius... Synthroid is synthetic T4 and has nothing to do with the half life of T3

 

[Rudeness]

I agree with everything except the reason for your need to taper down- what are the medical issues that it can and HAS caused? just curious, I always do a short taper down but have never heard of confirmed medical issues other than recovery which is present at any dose with not tapering.

Some of the most known effects of very low or no thyroid hormone are to the heart. I can tell you first hand that I learned the hard way with some of the most severe heart palpitations and irregular heart rhythm. Along with this came the worst anxiety and panic attacks you can imagine. Everyone is different.. I'm sure some have no issues and others have had worse, so only one way for you to find out how it will affect you personally.

 

[Magadan]

T3 is a thyroid hormone, no PCT needed. It is definitely recommended to taper up then down, at least in my experience. Less chances of rebound and bringing your natural back to life.

What exactly are you wanting to use it for? Your stats, diet, training, cardio?

Thanks for the info. To clarify I would be using it more for weight loss as I am getting back into training after a long stint away due to "life" (simplest term I could think of).

Just so you are aware I have no intention of starting a cycle just yet, couple of reasons being;

1) I want to at least be back into the swing of regular workouts (albeit reduced intensity for now) so any cycle will have a better effect than putting the cart before the horse so to speak.

2) education, education and more education. I want to learn as much about the compounds I am looking at rather than just winging it. I could wing it, but it's incredibly expensive to do on a trial and error basis.

 

[Magadan]

As with anything else there is use and there is abuse. My statements are based on personal experience and responsible use. If abused, I'm sure there are a wide variety of long-term effects that are not fully known.

It was believed in the past that T3 could cause permanent suppression, but has since been shown to not directly damage the thyroid. It will however suppress production of T4, during T3 use and for a period of time after discontinuation. Recovery period will vary depending on individual, dose and time on, but normally thyroid is back to 100% in 2-4 weeks.

You will want to taper up and taper down. The reason for this is that your thyroid produces T4, which is a storage hormone with a much longer halflife than T3. You convert T4 to T3 from your bodies T4 reserves. After a period of T3 use, your body has depleted it's T4 reserves and is utilizing only the T3 you are giving it. When stopping cold turkey it can and has caused major medical issues.

I'm guessing by gains you mean losses? No... you will not put the weight back on, unless you allow it. Of course you may pickup a lb or two during recovery, but diet will determine how much. You will also want to remember that T3 in higher amounts will also cause the loss of muscle mass in addition to fat loss.

Hi mate, you hit te nail on the head - use and abuse can take many forms, for instance dosing incorrectly or stopping suddenly (instead of tapering) would be abusing my body as you pointed out.

Yes I meant losses, as I stated before IF I intend on using T3 it will be only after I am in a regular routine, while the eating is solid, the training (for various reasons) is not. And I would be cheating myself out of quality results if I did it half-assed which we can all agree on.

 

[Magadan]

Some of the most known effects of very low or no thyroid hormone are to the heart. I can tell you first hand that I learned the hard way with some of the most severe heart palpitations and irregular heart rhythm. Along with this came the worst anxiety and panic attacks you can imagine. Everyone is different.. I'm sure some have no issues and others have had worse, so only one way for you to find out how it will affect you personally.

If it's all the same to you I'd rather avoid those sides if possible. Like I said before - sometimes when going off something there are sides that are unavoidable (i recall severe cravings after quitting smoking) and then there are sides that CAN occur but are manageable/avoidable (increased appetite but consuming quality calories not a shittonne of junk food).

 

[GearGodess]

Thanks for the info. To clarify I would be using it more for weight loss as I am getting back into training after a long stint away due to "life" (simplest term I could think of).

Just so you are aware I have no intention of starting a cycle just yet, couple of reasons being;

1) I want to at least be back into the swing of regular workouts (albeit reduced intensity for now) so any cycle will have a better effect than putting the cart before the horse so to speak.

2) education, education and more education. I want to learn as much about the compounds I am looking at rather than just winging it. I could wing it, but it's incredibly expensive to do on a trial and error basis.

I think your best bet would be to get into a routine with your training, cardio and of course diet before adding any supplements. Once you are closer to your goal weight, we can help to fine tune things and possibly add something to help you get that last few pounds off. That would be my suggestion.

For information purposes, I like to run T3 with Albuterol for a total of 6 weeks to finish off and polish my look. I always taper up and then down with T3, it has responded well with me. Others may disagree but this works for me and many others I have worked with. As for Albuterol, unlike its big brother Clen, you can run it straight through not the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off like clen.

As a thought, maybe the first thing to incorporate once you are back on track is an ECA stack. It's fairly mild but effective and a lot less sides than you could get from T3 if not careful.