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tamoxifen/nolva actually harmful??

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dafqu1

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I heard from a friend that tamoxifen should only be used short term for gyno because of how it interacts with the body its harmful to the testicles for pct. Said its why urologists only use hcg,hmg clomid and enclomiphene for fertility and hypogonadism but not nolva cuz theres not anything real that shows its beneficial. Said its old pct advice some guy who was a skinny self proclaimed steroid expert that doesnt even train came up with and made popular but he was actually just a malicious K*** trying to fuck people taking AAS even more.

found this study that seems to support some stuff he said
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effect of tamoxifen on spermatogenesis and testicular steroidogenesis - PubMed

The aim of this study was to evaluate the effects of in vivo and in vitro treatments with selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM), tamoxifen on testicular functions. The testis treated with tamoxifen, in vivo or in vitro, showed dose-dependent regressive changes in spermatogenesis. This...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I have pharmacy grade nolva for pct but now im paranoid to use it. Anyone know anything about this is he just trolling me or what. Something that actually fucks you up wouldnt become a pct staple for decades right???
 
cutterz said:
Everything can fuck you up. If you are paranoid over everythiung you read online, dont do AAS.
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I know that but if im taking one thing thats supposed heal nuts and testosterone production and if actually does the opposite then im just a retard neutering myself right?? my friend went on this rant after I mentioned I had nolva for pct he seemed serious about now im unsure I wanted to see if anyone else thinks this. On one hand I dont want to believe AAS users and bodybuilders are that stupid they could be influenced to do something thats of no benefit for so long, but at the same time I know people are real stupid. Things ive read online seem to support it toxicity to nuts like he said like this study I found and the fact it causes erectile dysfunction and hypogonadism as a side effect in men taking it for cancer for longer periods.

I am really paranoid ill probably just drop it and take clomid and ai for pct even if theres a hundred msgs proving otherwise the seed has been planted in my brain the damage is done
 
dafqu1 said:
I know that but if im taking one thing thats supposed heal nuts and testosterone production and if actually does the opposite then im just a retard neutering myself right?? my friend went on this rant after I mentioned I had nolva for pct he seemed serious about now im unsure I wanted to see if anyone else thinks this. On one hand I dont want to believe AAS users and bodybuilders are that stupid they could be influenced to do something thats of no benefit for so long, but at the same time I know people are real stupid. Things ive read online seem to support it toxicity to nuts like he said like this study I found and the fact it causes erectile dysfunction and hypogonadism as a side effect in men taking it for cancer for longer periods.

I am really paranoid ill probably just drop it and take clomid and ai for pct even if theres a hundred msgs proving otherwise the seed has been planted in my brain the damage is done
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For what it’s worth, I’ve taken Tamoxifen with and without HCG and had really good results with it. Anastrozole is slightly better for me, but if it’s not available I gladly take tamoxifen and I don’t worry about it.
 
appreciate that info. I do want to use it if its effective cuz everything else I have is ugl besides some adex tabs...but i will probly just take the adex with clomid too paranoid now
 
For PCT 20mg nolva the first week then 10mg the next 3 weeks. That protocol gets my nuts back to original size faster than anything else I’ve used.


Also never use 19-nors if you PCT. Only should be used by guys on TRT.
 
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yep ive heard that only test and dbol for me unless theres no going back. With nolva you have done a pct without it with clomid for example and it was for sure far more effective??
 
I’ve taken a lot of Tamox over the years with no issues whatsoever. I did hear or read recently someone mention some potential negative sides but I’ve never experienced any and I have taken it often for years (I prefer not to use AIs but I’m prone to gyno).
 
i know tamox/nolva is effective for gyno cuz it blocks all estrogen from interacting with organs, what im asking about is pct cuz ive heard from my friend this same effect makes ur nuts eat themselves so its useless for pct.
 
dafqu1 said:
yep ive heard that only test and dbol for me unless theres no going back. With nolva you have done a pct without it with clomid for example and it was for sure far more effective??
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Yeah I used it clomid + Nolva and had more sides and nuts didn’t recover size faster then nolva by itself. I believe it took over 2 weeks with clomid and around 5-10 days with just nolva.


Nolva mg to mg is around 3x stronger SERM than clomid. I’ve PCT/gyno just fine with 10mg.
 
dafqu1 said:
i know tamox/nolva is effective for gyno cuz it blocks all estrogen from interacting with organs, what im asking about is pct cuz ive heard from my friend this same effect makes ur nuts eat themselves so its useless for pct.
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Tamoxifen had absolutely no negative effect on my testicles whatsoever when used as PCT.

The reason that legit TRT clinics prescribe HCG and Anastrozole to use at the same time as the exogenous testosterone is to avoid that situation all together.

Whether I’m blasting or cruising I use 50 IU’s HCG and .5 Anastrozole twice a week and I don’t have any problem with gyno or testicular atrophy.

It sounds to me like your gym bro lacks real world experience with the compounds and is simply regurgitating something he read online.

That’s a real problem on forums like this. There are a lot of internet experts piping up who have ZERO experience with the subject matter that they are advising people on.

It sounds like you are overthinking this.

Do you want to take gear advice from Kevin Levrone, or from a pencil neck geek like Leo? (May he rest in peace)
 
IMO tamoxifen should only be used in short periods if a gyno flare up occurs... Raloxifene is probably more effective, overall, though. A better course of action would be preventing the gyno to begin with via proper E2 control... I would only have some on hand in case of emergency, really.
 
TexasT said:
Tamoxifen had absolutely no negative effect on my testicles whatsoever when used as PCT.

The reason that legit TRT clinics prescribe HCG and Anastrozole to use at the same time as the exogenous testosterone is to avoid that situation all together.

Whether I’m blasting or cruising I use 50 IU’s HCG and .5 Anastrozole twice a week and I don’t have any problem with gyno or testicular atrophy.

It sounds to me like your gym bro lacks real world experience with the compounds and is simply regurgitating something he read online.

That’s a real problem on forums like this. There are a lot of internet experts piping up who have ZERO experience with the subject matter that they are advising people on.

It sounds like you are overthinking this.

Do you want to take gear advice from Kevin Levrone, or from a pencil neck geek like Leo? (May he rest in peace)
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i read a study months ago about nolvadex inhibiting spermatogenesis.
Something to do about it being active in the estrogen receptors in the testicles, and that would prevent sperm to mature.
I will see if i can find that one study.
Anyways from what i remember the effect was temporary so nothing to worry about.
 
I can't take Nolva. Makes me very depressed and emotional for some reason and it comes on so gradually I didn't realize what was causing me to feel off. May try ralox bc I do have a gyno lump that's irritating .
 
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