Tbol vs. Anavar for endurance training.

[BJJisLIFE]

Hey guys, I've decided to begin training for a triathlon and hope to be able do it at the end of this year. Right now I'm in the middle of a 6 week 25mg ED Anavar cycle (TRT 200mg cyp/week) and I've gotta say I feel like it's negatively affecting me as far as performance. My physique of course is improving dramatically but my row times are suffering a bit because of the forearm and back pumps. I've also starting running and again the calf pumps I get make me have to stop and walk. Would it be better to switch to tbol for more endurance based training? Also what other compounds would be a good addition?

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Hey guys, I've decided to begin training for a triathlon and hope to be able do it at the end of this year. Right now I'm in the middle of a 6 week 25mg ED Anavar cycle (TRT 200mg cyp/week) and I've gotta say I feel like it's negatively affecting me as far as performance. My physique of course is improving dramatically but my row times are suffering a bit because of the forearm and back pumps. I've also starting running and again the calf pumps I get make me have to stop and walk. Would it be better to switch to tbol for more endurance based training? Also what other compounds would be a good addition?

Tbol is better known for strength gains.

Alot of guys complain about the pumps with Tbol as well. (Moreso than Var)

Add Taurine to your protocol.
Will help with the pumps

 

[m314]

I'd prefer a higher dose of test or a low dose of EQ. Orals in general are known for pumps that can decrease endurance.

 

[test>tren]

Personally, I believe tbol to be a poor AAS in all regards. ie: belongs in the toilet

 

[Test_Subject]

If you're training for endurance I wouldn't use any oral, especially anavar because it's notorious for causing painful pumps. Tbol is just a junk steroid in general.

EQ is good. It will give you a nice muscular boost and won't negatively affect your cardio. Try running 4-600mg of that for 14 weeks or so.

 

[JC Grifter]

I would agree avoiding either for endurance training. But I tend to disagree that Tbol is a “junk” steroid. Granted I only used it once, but my god I felt awesome using it before the gym and felt like I could stay there for ever!

as far as cardio, the pumps were crippling just from walking.

 

[gearwolf]

beneficial for endurance, in rough order: EPO, cardarine, equipoise, anything that's a ß-adrenergic agonist like ephedrine

 

[BJJisLIFE]

What do you guys think of adding 200mg/wk of Masteron? I was already going to add Masteron to my TRT protocol for it's Free-T and SHBG benefits. But will it help with my endurance training?

 

[JC Grifter]

For endurance I would blast EQ and Cardarine. I don’t have any experience with Masteron though

 

[$BlackBeard]

Hey guys, I've decided to begin training for a triathlon and hope to be able do it at the end of this year. Right now I'm in the middle of a 6 week 25mg ED Anavar cycle (TRT 200mg cyp/week) and I've gotta say I feel like it's negatively affecting me as far as performance. My physique of course is improving dramatically but my row times are suffering a bit because of the forearm and back pumps. I've also starting running and again the calf pumps I get make me have to stop and walk. Would it be better to switch to tbol for more endurance based training? Also what other compounds would be a good addition?

What is your experience in endurance sports? What distance is the event?

IMO, nothing here will help you as much as proper training. The key to these events is consistency in training. All the work is done in training and if done properly, the actual race should be the easy part.

What some of the members are saying about pumps/cramps will hinder your training.

 

[BJJisLIFE]

What is your experience in endurance sports? What distance is the event?

IMO, nothing here will help you as much as proper training. The key to these events is consistency in training. All the work is done in training and if done properly, the actual race should be the easy part.

What some of the members are saying about pumps/cramps will hinder your training.

I've done a half marathon and 100mile bike ride and a tough mudder. But those were quite some time ago before I was even on TRT or experimenting AAS. I knew there wasnt a lot of options when it comes to endurance sports, but I just wanted to check other peoples opinions because maybe there's something I dont know about.

 

[genixcon]

Supplement taurine and cardarine with what ever you run

 

[test>tren]

I've done a half marathon and 100mile bike ride and a tough mudder. But those were quite some time ago before I was even on TRT or experimenting AAS. I knew there wasnt a lot of options when it comes to endurance sports, but I just wanted to check other peoples opinions because maybe there's something I dont know about.

I do think eq or cardarine could be beneficial for performance output. They greatly increase endurance. I'm uncomfortable with eq for the same reason it would better performance; raises hematocrit, sometimes to a dangerous level. I do see cyclists dying all the time, I believe that is usually from EPO and blood doping abuse combined with stimulants tho. Don't quote this tho, I'm no expert in the area of cyclists.

 

[T&H]

I've run var, winny, superdrol, and meldonium. As someone who run 30 to 35mpw, I noticed no benefit personally. My biggest limit is leg fatigue.

Also done cardarine and noticed improved ability to breathe easier, however that's not my problem with running.

 

[Breakneck]

Took Tbol when training for a military timed 1.5 Mile run and while hitting the weights heavily and it helped me like crazy. Great strength and great endurance ime.

I had 15 minutes to run it and ran it in approx 13 minutes while weighing 240lbs. Not exactly setting the world on fire but weighing my heaviest and it's either pass or fail (I wasn't running my hardest) that's great imo.
I didn't have to cut weight to pass my physical test and the Tbol put me there. Then it was back to being the strongest I've ever been without having had to worry about the cardio run.

Tbol was incredible imo and I'll always be including that in my stack now.

 

[JC Grifter]

Took Tbol when training for a military timed 1.5 Mile run and while hitting the weights heavily and it helped me like crazy. Great strength and great endurance ime.

I had 15 minutes to run it and ran it in approx 13 minutes while weighing 240lbs. Not exactly setting the world on fire but weighing my heaviest and it's either pass or fail (I wasn't running my hardest) that's great imo.
I didn't have to cut weight to pass my physical test and the Tbol put me there. Then it was back to being the strongest I've ever been without having had to worry about the cardio run.

Tbol was incredible imo and I'll always be including that in my stack now.

Exactly. Tbol has its place. I think people get discouraged when they take it, because they hear it’s “dbol’s little brother.” When they don’t get Dbol gains, they discount it.

 

[test>tren]

Exactly. Tbol has its place. I think people get discouraged when they take it, because they hear it’s “dbol’s little brother.” When they don’t get Dbol gains, they discount it.

My reason for disliking it is due to a poor AAS efficacy to toxicity ratio. Sure, it's an AAS, clearly it does something. People parrot that it's less toxic, like anavar, but it's actually comparable in toxicity to most other orals. Essentially the same reason I don't like prohormones.

 

[Breakneck]

My reason for disliking it is due to a poor AAS efficacy to toxicity ratio. Sure, it's an AAS, clearly it does something. People parrot that it's less toxic, like anavar, but it's actually comparable in toxicity to most other orals. Essentially the same reason I don't like prohormones.

Wait so you believe Tbol is as toxic as Dbol & Sdrol & Adrol?

I've never come across somebody tapping out because their Tbol was hurting their liver or killing their appetite etc.

Got any links to Tbol being this way that I can check out? I definitely want to see if this is true as I really liked it on cycle.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

My reason for disliking it is due to a poor AAS efficacy to toxicity ratio. Sure, it's an AAS, clearly it does something. People parrot that it's less toxic, like anavar, but it's actually comparable in toxicity to most other orals. Essentially the same reason I don't like prohormones.

Any studies on its toxicity to Efficacy ratio?

It's one of the only Oral AAS that was run for multiple years straight in athletes.

I've run it high dosage with my liver values barely moving.

Is it as effective as other oral?
Nope
Great for strength without sides imho

 

[test>tren]

Cba to dig up german medical studies older than I am. Anavar is the only semi-toxic 17a-alkylated AAS, and that's due to the C2 Carbon being replaced with an oxygen. This allows for partial kidney metabolism. There would be no pharmacological reason for it to have any lesser degree of toxicity than the others. Just my $.02