Test as the basis of all cycles

[Data1000]

Like most bros, I think this forum has the best information that I've seen and I sincerely respect the advice of the mods. This forum strongly stresses that Test is to be included in all cycles. Many other sources of information do not stress this and recommend some cycles that don't include any test, such as Winnie and EQ.

I would like to hear some experiences of bros who did both bulking and cutting cycles without any test.

Anyone have any ideas why some other sources don't stress the importance of using test for any cycle?

Thanks!

 

[01dragonslayer]

My very first cycle was a simple EQ/winny stack. Made some decent gains being my first and all, but my only regret was not adding any test. I have included a test ester in every cycle since then and will never run a cycle without again.

 

[chris gordon]

testosterone is the king of all male hormones...plus its the cheapest too...why anyone would want to spend a lot more money on less effective drugs is beyond me

 

[jefft77]

I'm doing my first cycle with just Winny tabs and I'm getting a lot of people telling me I need to do it with test. My results on Winny alone have been good and I didn't use test because I don't want to add weight. Will test cause me to bulk up? I don't want anymore size, only want to cut up. If test won't add weight then I'll use it with my next cycle. Can anyone tell me if test will bulk me up? Thanks.
Jefft

 

[Uconn Mike]

Jeff, if you run Arimidex with Test and have a clean diet, you can achieve a very cosmetic look. In addition, you'll be stronger and feel a lot better. 500mgs-750mgs of Sustanon per week along with .25-.50 mg Ari ED will create some very lean muscle, just as if you were taking 400-600mg of REAL Primobolan.

 

[chris gordon]

well..no steroid will cut you up...gettin cut is a function of diet

 

[Buff Diddy]

test kicks ass

the way i see it test makes a great foundation for just about any type of cycle. plus it makes you feel awesome. its very potent yet not as hard on your liver as an oral. if i could only pick one aas to use it would probably be test. i just can't seem to say enough nice things about it. the first cycle that i really made any very significant gains on was sust 250 and deca. the doses were low but it proved to be an almost magical combo. i gained 15-20 lbs after only 7 weeks. i can't wait to do it again.

 

[jefft77]

The reason why I'm worried about too much size is because I'm really short 5ft3.
I went from about 140lbs to 150lbs from the Winny and I don't want any more size. If I was taller I'd want more bulk but being so short I don't want to look like a block. I'll read up a little more on sustanon and armidex. Is sustanon the same as test? Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm still new to all this. Thanks for the help everyone.
Jeff

 

[Buff Diddy]

yeah bro sust is the same as test. its a blend of 4 different test esters. it kicks ass.

 

[zman12]

I always use test as a base now for all cycles except when I am cutting then I use EQ

 

[supercyborg]

why not use test? test is the best theres too much good too list and when it comes to bodybuilding, it becomes the #1 choice to pack on muscle and strength. it is the safest and most effective and cheapest. using small amounts of arimidex will help keep bloating and estrogen to a minimum. i never get any side effects with test just bloating if i dont use a-dex. i wouldnt cycle without it.

 

[john_phillips]

The reason why I'm worried about too much size is because I'm really short 5ft3.
I went from about 140lbs to 150lbs from the Winny and I don't want any more size. If I was taller I'd want more bulk but being so short I don't want to look like a block. I'll read up a little more on sustanon and armidex. Is sustanon the same as test? Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm still new to all this. Thanks for the help everyone.
Jeff

I can't tell if you want to look like a track star or a body builder...but here's a bodybuilder, also of smaller stature, that has great symmetry and plenty of size. Maybe reconsider the size thing?

http://www.derikfarnsworth.com

Either way, good luck bro.
JaPe

 

[MaxRep]

The reason why I'm worried about too much size is because I'm really short 5ft3.
I went from about 140lbs to 150lbs from the Winny and I don't want any more size. If I was taller I'd want more bulk but being so short I don't want to look like a block. I'll read up a little more on sustanon and armidex. Is sustanon the same as test? Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm still new to all this. Thanks for the help everyone.
Jeff

There would be nothing more impressive than 18" arms, 27" thighs and a 29" waist on your 5'3" frame. My guess is you have a long way to go. The only reason you would look like a block is if you let your waist get as big as your chest. It's hard to look like a block with an extreme "V" taper.

MaxRep

 

[armsports]

My first cycle was dbol and deca and I got great gains off it. But now every cycle includes test and many are test only. Gives you the most bang for your buck IMHO.

 

[Data1000]

My first cycle was dbol and deca and I got great gains off it. But now every cycle includes test and many are test only. Gives you the most bang for your buck IMHO.

Thanks for everyone's input. I was planning on using a small amount of Proviron instead of Arimidex to keeping water retention low.

One small problem: I have 10 cc of 250 Test Sustanon and 20 cc of 250 Test Enanthate. Any good ways to use both the Sustanon and the Enanthate?

 

[drago1]

the only non test based cycle i do is tren/wiiny as a cutter. for strength and mass, you just cant beat a test based cycle. i would have to say test at 1g/wk and tren at 75mgs/ed is my favorite.

 

[Deacon]

other than the fact that it makes muscle - using test in your cycle also helps to avoid a lot of other troubles - such as deca dick etc.

I would never run a cycle without test unless it was some kind of exteme cutter -