Test/Deca/Winny Cycle Advice?

[VeryTesty]

I posted this on another board and got no reaction except someone saying they never heard of the juice I am of talking about - so I must be making it up or something. If this board has more informed members, maybe you can help me out. I admit that I haven't been juicin' for as long as many of you, and I haven't spent my time hanging out on AAS discussion boards either - but that doesn't make me an idiot! There's a reason you might not heard of this stuff exactly, but it not like I'm going to explain the source. You don't have to concern yourself with the trade name or concentration, just answer based on the steroid names and doses provided .

Hypothetical situation - someone has the following:

Intervet line all laced with Periactin:

Testodron 500
(250mg test heptylate & 250mg test cypionate / ml)

Decadron 400
(400mg nandrolone decanoate / ml)

Winstron 150
(150 mg stanozolol proprionate / ml)

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5 shots 125mg/ml test suspension

plenty of clomid
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This person has been bb for 5 years. He has used all the prohormones and popular supplements many times. On several occassions put on 20 lbs in a one month and retained WITHOUT AAS. Due to life circumstances, was forced to stop diet/training for 7-8 month period, causing drop from 200 to 170 lbs. Started back, full out with AAS. Gained about 45 lbs in 100 days - putting total weight at about 218. Ripped up at roughly 200, maintained nearly all muscle and strength for full year off AAS. Seeking to bulk up to 230+ and significantly increase major lifts.

Only cycle used (12 week) -
500 mg sustaton/weekly for 1st 3-4 weeks.
Switched to 500 mg testoviron, added 200 mg deca, 250 mg winstrol suspenstion
supplemented with occasional test suspenstion 125mg/ml in first half of cycle and then did every other day for about 10 shots (15 shots total).
At the end, this person went off everything for 10 days, then went on clomid for 18 (50 mg).
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He is considering the following cycle this year:

Weeks 1-4, 9-12:

1/2 ml Testodron 500 + 1/2 ml Decadron 400 (same shot)
3 times weekly

1/2 ml Winstron 150
3 times weekly

=
375 mg test heptylate
375 mg test cypionate
(750 mg total test)
600 mg nandrolone decanoate
225 mg stanozolol proprionate

Weeks 5-8:

1/2 ml Testodron 500 + 1/2 ml Decadron 400 (same shot)
4 times weekly

1 ml test suspesion
once weekly

1/2 ml Winstron 150
4 times weekly

=
500 mg test heptylate
500 mg test cypionate
125 mg test suspension
(1125 mg total test)
800 mg nandrolone decanoate
300 mg stanozolol proprionate

Total
1 bottle Testodron 500
1 bottle Decadron 400
1 bottle Winstron 150
(20 ml bottles)


10 days off at end, followed by 15 days 50 mg clomid

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Should this be modified in any way? Too much? Would even more be benefitial (of these same products)?

This is pretty fucking specific - I would think someone can give me an intelligent answer.

Thanks.

 

[ThePatriot]

Too much in my opinion. And well I dont care what kind of test name you have Test is test period. Though those that you named are kinda fucked up but if you can vouch that they are from a good source then go with it. And 20lbs in a month without aas is amazing. Not saying that you were able to do it but wow. Keep the shot of test the same throughout the cycle so your body not having to readjust other than that enjoy.

ThePatriot

 

[VeryTesty]

Iwanted to use whole bottles only. You can't move unsealed bottles.

But, I don't want to fuck myself up either. My biggest concern was with the deca. should I reduce to:

750 mg test
400 mg deca
225 mg winny

and maintain straight through the 12 weeks? Leave out the suspension? That shit fucking kills going in and later on usually in the middle of the night!

When say 20 lbs in one month without AAS - that doesn't mean completely lean - probably 15 lean. I would also use various prohormones in fairly large doses (the most effective weight gainers I found were the original couple of andros and the 19-nor varieties), plus creatine, methoxyisoflavone (if that does anything). Most importantly, I would training, eat, and sleep in what I found to be the optimal amounts.
Most ppl on these boards think that bb is sticking a million needles into themselves and standing around bullshiting about how big there going to get from their new stack. BB is about hard work, dedication, and knowledge of exercise physiology and nutrition.
I've put others on the programs I've developed and they've experienced similar gains. Fundamentals include eating 7-8 meals a day, on a schedule, NEVER missing a meal, and never missing a dose of andro/creatine/anything else. I suggest drinking twinlabs amino fuel liquid concentration as soon as you wake up in the morning and once or twice in the middle of the night. Drink a high calorie protein shake before bed and post workout (inc high glycemic carbs and creatine with that one). Take a nap in the middle of the day, wakeup and drink more aminos. When training without AAS, you must be careful to avoid over training. The split I've found to be the best - Pecs/Delts/Tris, Legs/Abs, Back/Bi/Forearms. 2 workouts for each grouping, alternated. Traumatic/Non Traumatic on staggered muscles. 3 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off. Use POF training. Concentrate max energy on heavy compound movements.
Serious gains are possible without AAS. Ridiculous gains aren't. Right now, I want ridiculous, but I will be bb for life and expect to make progress though knowledge and dedication - not from pills and needles or from discussion boards.

Now, does anyone else have some cycle advice? I'd like to start around new years and I need a plan. I like to develop perfect plans and follow them to the letter. If there's a problem - its with the plan, not with my utilization of it.