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Li3s

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I'm 19 years old, 6'2, 14ish% bf. I just ordered Test E 250, 50 10mg dbol tablets and 50 20mg nolvadex tablets. It's too late to try and change my mind about steroids so don't bother. That's what I bought so I'll stick with it, so my question is, what would you do in my position if you had these three compounds in this quantity, how do I make the most of it? I know that Test E is best used atleast twice a week, but I don't want to run 500mg a week so maybe I should try and take half a vial every 4 days or so? About Dbol, should I start using it right away or what? Nolvadex, do I wait for gyno to develop in order to use it, use it just as PCT or take maybe a tablet every other day for prevention?
Excuse my english (not my native language) and thanks for your help.
 
All Nats McGee said:
First things before all this is you need bloodwork. You need to get a reading of what your natural levels are today.
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Where I live, it's just impossible to get a bloodwork done short notice, not to mention the price and the fact that you have to do a separate test for Total T, Free T, DHT etc.. each with a different price. I don't have clinically low T of course, but I have low libido, I feel sex impulses like once every two days if even, which isn't great for a 19 year old. On the other hand, I'm fairly muscular. There's something off in my mood too. Probably I'm in a situation where I have suboptimal levels, and I would feel much better increasing my levels by 20% or so which could probably be done naturally with lifestyle change. Regardless, I'm getting into a steroid cycle for pure bodybuilding purposes, while probably increasing my mood/drive/confidence which would be a welcomed byproduct. But no, a bloodwork is out of the equation.
 
As above get pre cycle bloodwork.

Save the Dbol for next time. See how your body responds to testosterone and how much you convert to estrogen through bloodwork. Dbol is a big time aromatizer. If you go ahead with the Dbol and you’re a high aromatizer you’ll be shopping for a bra.

you absolutely don’t have to start at 500mg for a first cycle. Again you don’t know yet how you metabolize testosterone. 300mg naught be more than enough for you. Check with mid Cycle bloodwork.

don’t start your cycle until you have an AI. During mid cycle bloodwork you’ll know if you need to add it.

do more reading on an effective PCT
 
Li3s said:
Where I live, it's just impossible to get a bloodwork done short notice, not to mention the price and the fact that you have to do a separate test for Total T, Free T, DHT etc.. each with a different price. I don't have clinically low T of course, but I have low libido, I feel sex impulses like once every two days if even, which isn't great for a 19 year old. On the other hand, I'm fairly muscular. There's something off in my mood too. Probably I'm in a situation where I have suboptimal levels, and I would feel much better increasing my levels by 20% or so which could probably be done naturally with lifestyle change. Regardless, I'm getting into a steroid cycle for pure bodybuilding purposes, while probably increasing my mood/drive/confidence which would be a welcomed byproduct. But no, a bloodwork is out of the equation.
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If you can’t get bloodwork done because you’re in one of shitty States like me, definitely ditch the Dbol.

don’t always correlate libido or other typical “low test symptoms” only in testosterone. There’s plenty of other reasons it could be.

it’s near the end of the year so schedule an end of the year physical and tell your doctor what you’d like to see on your bloodwork. That at least solves the pre cycle bloodwork issue.

mane absolutely do not start until you get an AI. Especially if you have trouble getting bloodwork. No Dbol and run the test on the lower side like I mentioned
 
Jestopherson said:
You plan to run half a vial every 4 days?? Damn that'll be a bit over the standard 500ml a week.

If you mean half an ml. I'd person bump that to 0.75ml every monday and Thursday.

Skip the dbol. Trust me
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Yeah I meant half an ml. Dbol would be used at a low dose of 10mg a day, and I always have Nolvadex at hand should I notice estrogenic side effects.
 
Li3s said:
Yeah I meant half an ml. Dbol would be used at a low dose of 10mg a day, and I always have Nolvadex at hand should I notice estrogenic side effects.
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So what do you think nolvadex would do If you were experiencing these side effects?

As for dosing how would you know how much you would need as you've never even run test before?

Have you factored in the self titrated of medium to long esters over the course 5-6 weeks where you could have no sides and then suddenly have tons?

*edit* you asked how to make the most of this cycle.

Drop the dbol and up the test. What are you expecting the dbol to do when paired with low test?
 
Li3s said:
Yeah I meant half an ml. Dbol would be used at a low dose of 10mg a day, and I always have Nolvadex at hand should I notice estrogenic side effects.
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Nolvadex is a serm. You want an AI. We’re speaking from experience. Save the Dbol until you know how to have your testosterone/estrogen dialed in. There’s no need to rush into this without all the tools you’ll need to do it right

don’t say “only 10mg”. You don’t know how you’ll respond to it
 
JC Grifter said:
Nolvadex is a serm. You want an AI. We’re speaking from experience. Save the Dbol until you know how to have your testosterone/estrogen dialed in.

don’t say “only 10mg”. You don’t know how you’ll respond to it
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I'd edit out the classification of those 2 ancillaries. Let him see just how little he knows by trying to explain how nolvadex would help him in that situation
 
Jestopherson said:
I'd edit out the classification of those 2 ancillaries. Let him see just how little he knows by trying to explain how nolvadex would help him in that situation
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Nolvadex would help me in preventing gyno, but congratulations you know more than me about steroids, almost like I came here asking for advice.
 
Li3s said:
Nolvadex would help me in preventing gyno, but congratulations you know more than me about steroids, almost like I came here asking for advice.
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It wouldn't do anything for reducing your high estrogen though. Which is the real problem that would need to be dealt with especially with dbol.

Yes I do, and yes you are. So here's my advice that is the same as everyone else who's run dbol.

Drop the dbol. Up the test to 0.75ml 2x a week or an approx total of 375mg. Run that, make sick gains. Save the dbol for later. It's literally just going to give you extra water retention and more difficulties controlling your estrogen, so why are you so set on running it?
 
Li3s said:
Nolvadex would help me in preventing gyno, but congratulations you know more than me about steroids, almost like I came here asking for advice.
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Yes your asking for advice which is a good thing. But you need to be receptive to that advice. There’s a lot of experience on the forum. Take advantage of that. We don’t want you to harm yourself. As you said, you’re going to run this cycle no matter what. We’re trying to make sure you do it safe as possible.

1) Drop the Dbol (you can save it for future use)

2) just run test as suggested above.

3) learn how you respond to testosterone and how much you convert to estrogen.

4) learn about AI’s. Then order one and have it on hand. As mentioned that is what you need to to combat high estrogen. Not Nolvadex.

5) if you’re not getting bloodwork because of the cost you should wait and save up for it. Without bloodwork you’ll be guessing and can seriously fuck up your endocrine system.

6) you don’t need to start this cycle tomorrow. Learn as much as you can and do it right.
 
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