johnnyblue
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what does everything think about this kind of test over other kinds of test. also if this is the first time using any kind of test how much should one do in their cycle. and is qv test enanthate one of the better kinds.
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test enanthate is a great first cycle. Qv test isnt bad at all its pretty good I prefer human grade but I have used Qv and you really cant go wrong for the price. Test E for a first cycle should have dosages rangeing from 250mg to 500mg per week personally I feel that 400mg is more than plenty for a first cycle followed up with standerd pct .
GDSGFT
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500mg EW is good for a starting cycle although there are many beginners who tend to go with 750mg EW.
250mg Monday followed by 250mg thursday should do the trick.
If it's a test only cycle, i'd say bump the test E to 750mg EW.
250mg Monday followed by 250mg thursday should do the trick.
If it's a test only cycle, i'd say bump the test E to 750mg EW.
Silverback
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GDSGFT said:
Without knowing your cycle history-- You say you havent used test, but what have you used??
Anyway for a first cycle(we will assume) 750mg is extremely high-- I would suggest 400 as liv2grw suggested-- I would run it for 10 weeks and have your pct ready--clomid etc.
QV is a good brand to me-- and its cheap!!
Oh boy, here we go again. Test is test...........is test...............is test............is test...............
Provided you are injecting at each respective ester's optimal dosing frequency, and provided your gear is accurately dosed, there is ZERO difference between Sustanon, Enanthate, Cypionate etc........... Propionate all bets are off as the molecular weight of Test Prop - 344 - is significantly less than that of Enanthate (400) and Cypionate (412). Therefore, you are injecting significantly more pure test with 750mg/week of Propionate, per say, than with 750 mg/week of Enanthate.
On a practical level, I would bet $10,000 of my own money you would not see a statistically significant difference in gains between Enanthate, Sustanon, and Cypionate Again, with Propionate, all bets are off.
Test is test is test is test. There is not a statistically significant difference on a molecular level or a practical level between the various long acting esters.
If this is your first cycle, you will EXPLODE on any type of ester. A GREAT first cycle................week 1 - 1500mg/week Test weeks 2-12 750mg/week Test
weeks 1-6 50 mg / day Dbol None of this bullshit about "Well, for your first cycle, you only need tiny amounts of gear" No fuck that. Your first cycle is your BEST cycle. Use 750mg/week of test for your first cycle.
dumbbellpress
Provided you are injecting at each respective ester's optimal dosing frequency, and provided your gear is accurately dosed, there is ZERO difference between Sustanon, Enanthate, Cypionate etc........... Propionate all bets are off as the molecular weight of Test Prop - 344 - is significantly less than that of Enanthate (400) and Cypionate (412). Therefore, you are injecting significantly more pure test with 750mg/week of Propionate, per say, than with 750 mg/week of Enanthate.
On a practical level, I would bet $10,000 of my own money you would not see a statistically significant difference in gains between Enanthate, Sustanon, and Cypionate Again, with Propionate, all bets are off.
Test is test is test is test. There is not a statistically significant difference on a molecular level or a practical level between the various long acting esters.
If this is your first cycle, you will EXPLODE on any type of ester. A GREAT first cycle................week 1 - 1500mg/week Test weeks 2-12 750mg/week Test
weeks 1-6 50 mg / day Dbol None of this bullshit about "Well, for your first cycle, you only need tiny amounts of gear" No fuck that. Your first cycle is your BEST cycle. Use 750mg/week of test for your first cycle.
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Omg Dumbbell... Don't kill the guy. If the guy comes on here asking some basic questions, then it's safe to say the guy isn't ready for that kind of cycle. I've heard all the arguments, and yes they are logical, but on the other hand, not practical. It's like telling the guy who wants to know how much beer to drink to get drunk, and you give him a handle of Jack Daniels. The guy would need a stomach pump after that little experiment. I say, stay safe. Listen to these other guys Johnny. Don't do anymore than a total of 450-500mg/week of synthetic test for 10 weeks. Also, make sure you have ALL the anti-e's before you start your first injection, that way you're not stressing at the last moment. Don't get me wrong Dumbbell, I know you are a smart guy, this is just my opinion.
dumbbellpress I totally respect all your post and I do like your idea behind its your first cycle and go balls to the wall but I personally feel you can achieve the same results with 400 and 20-30mg of dbol and anything over that is a waste and with a first cycle like that and your second cycle would have to be of some fairly high doses but to each their own. On a side note I have heard of people that used the doses dumbellpress provided on their first cycle and blew right up with tremendous gains so it does work but its up to you if its worth it , remember the more gear the more sideeffects.
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bronco944
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i couldnt disagree more. what if hes very sensitive to gyno or other sides? how will he know if its the dbol or the test? no one needs that much for a first cycle. the only reason your first is your best is because your the farthest from your genetic limit. so you have more room to grow. 500 mg's of test per week for 10 weeks can easily put on 25+ pounds if the person dose everything right. how much will tehy gain doing 750 with a 1500 mg front load and 50 mg's dbol ed? not enough more to make it worth it in my opinion. and where will tehy go after that? not to mention unless he takes a good amount of time off hes going to have to up his dose to see results the next cycle (unless he was still gaining strongly at the end of that one).dumbbellpress said:
When someone comes to me asking for a cycle, the first thing I ask them is how much research they have done. If they clearly do not know what they are doing, I tell them to spend atleast 90 days reading, researching and learning all things AAS. After 90 days, if they still do not know what they are doing, they should spend another 90 days reading and researching. Only when they truly are very knolwedgeable about juicing, are they ready to start a cycle.
I also let them know if they do not have Clomid/Nolvadex/Anastrozole on hand, they cannot start a cycle. I sure as hell do not want to be responsible for a guy having to have gynocomastia surgery. And if they use some bullshit excuse, saying "I don't need Nolvadex or Anastrozole", I tell them they cannot start ther cycle until they have both.
My first cycle, I ran............weeks 1-8 50 mg/day Brit Disp Thai pinks and weeks 1-12 4cc's/week Tornel T200 = 530 mg/week test. Hulk posted an excellent thread about 3 years ago on Meso in which TMag I believe tested 2 batches of Tornel T200 - avg concentration of the two batches was 132.4 mg test/cc. So 132.4mg X 4 cc's = 530 mg/week of test I used. I EXPLODED. I fucking EXPLODED. I had atleast 15 people at my gym ask me point blank what type of steroids I was using. I tried to deny using, but people just laughed at me and knew I was lying. I put on 26 pounds, and as I was using .25 mg / day anastrozole, bloat was almost nonexistant. It was 26 extremely high quality pounds. My diet was also perfect - without exception I consumed 7 meals every day.
Can a person make tremendous gains off of 500mg/week test and 50mg/day DBol for a first cycle??? Absolutely yes, and I am living proof that that amount of gear is phenomenal for a first cycle. That being said, I still recommend 750 mg/week of test. Your first cycle is your BEST cycle. Make it count...........8-10 hrs sleep each night. 50 grams protein 7 times per day. Train balls to the wall. Zero alcohol or rec drugs. If all of your variables are in place, then fuck yes use 750mg/week of test and you will EEXXPPLLOODDEE!!
dumbbellpress
I also let them know if they do not have Clomid/Nolvadex/Anastrozole on hand, they cannot start a cycle. I sure as hell do not want to be responsible for a guy having to have gynocomastia surgery. And if they use some bullshit excuse, saying "I don't need Nolvadex or Anastrozole", I tell them they cannot start ther cycle until they have both.
My first cycle, I ran............weeks 1-8 50 mg/day Brit Disp Thai pinks and weeks 1-12 4cc's/week Tornel T200 = 530 mg/week test. Hulk posted an excellent thread about 3 years ago on Meso in which TMag I believe tested 2 batches of Tornel T200 - avg concentration of the two batches was 132.4 mg test/cc. So 132.4mg X 4 cc's = 530 mg/week of test I used. I EXPLODED. I fucking EXPLODED. I had atleast 15 people at my gym ask me point blank what type of steroids I was using. I tried to deny using, but people just laughed at me and knew I was lying. I put on 26 pounds, and as I was using .25 mg / day anastrozole, bloat was almost nonexistant. It was 26 extremely high quality pounds. My diet was also perfect - without exception I consumed 7 meals every day.
Can a person make tremendous gains off of 500mg/week test and 50mg/day DBol for a first cycle??? Absolutely yes, and I am living proof that that amount of gear is phenomenal for a first cycle. That being said, I still recommend 750 mg/week of test. Your first cycle is your BEST cycle. Make it count...........8-10 hrs sleep each night. 50 grams protein 7 times per day. Train balls to the wall. Zero alcohol or rec drugs. If all of your variables are in place, then fuck yes use 750mg/week of test and you will EEXXPPLLOODDEE!!
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Alpha Male
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Dumbbellpress, you almost got me sold on going with 750mgs of Test for 12 weeks for my First Cycle coming up in a couple of weeks. Instead of Dbol, I'm going to finish off the last 6-7 weeks with Winstrol@50mgs ED for the final weeks up to PCT. I'm starting out at 6'2" 225lbs and roughly 8-9% bodyfat(Just finished dieting 
). Sure wouldn't mind being 245-250lbs and 9% bodyfat after 12-14 weeks. 
What do you think, bro?
). Sure wouldn't mind being 245-250lbs and 9% bodyfat after 12-14 weeks. What do you think, bro?Alpha Male
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Dumbbellpress, how much of the 26lbs did you retain post cycle???dumbbellpress said:
Zeo
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im on test eth and cyp its great , 200 cyp and 250 eth every wed and sat
Adogg4
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I had two buddies that ran QV test enanthate, said it hurt almost as bad as their prop
one switched to their cyp and said it was much less painfull
Also, if QV enan is the only test you have access to, use the 10mL bottles, the 50mL bottles are supposed to be underdosed
one switched to their cyp and said it was much less painfull
Also, if QV enan is the only test you have access to, use the 10mL bottles, the 50mL bottles are supposed to be underdosed
Alpha Male said:
Alphamale, I came off for 8 weeks and used Clomid 100/100/100 post cycle. I retained roughly 18-20 lbs of what I had gained.
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johnnyblue said:
That is why I love questions like this. Everyone answers with knowledge of their own usage and of people they know. But if then a hundred people answers, those answers will vary wildly-even among experts. I heard of the large front load method, large amounts through out your whole cycle(especially if you are a beginner) and a nice moderately dosed cylce such as 400mg of test enanthate a week with 10mg(2-5mg) dbol a day. So everyone answers differently. I read in Muscular Development last year I believe when they had a AAS roundtable involving Paul, John Romano, Bruce Nadler and I believe one other person. There answers all varied differently. So I love hearing these questions asked.
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