thanks for the replys. training has been good ,rest good , im not going into detail because im on those issues and it would take up way to much time/space as for hunger or strength, i feel a little more strength ,a tiny more focus ,if you could call it that , but my appetite has gotten less. i am force feeding at times but im sure when that eq kicks in ill eat nonstop. i know test is test but just wasnt sure how fast prop kicks in. thanks for the advice on post subject. ill be more careful to give more thought before posting.would ed be better? or maybe 150mg eod? my ass is a bit sore!