Test to mast ratio on a cut

[Pantera]

I'm planning out a mini-blast to cut on and settled on test + mast, both enanthate. My concern is choosing a ratio that doesn't leave me looking flat and also not giving me low e2 side effects.

I've ran both before with test at 1g and mast at 500mg, and I didn't feel any low e2 side effects except maybe a bit of joint pain. I'm not sure if the side effects will be the same if i linearly scale down the dose, i.e. if i keep the same ratio but lower the doses of both compounds.


Is there a generally accepted ratio that's recommended for most people to start off at then adjust as needed?

 

[Palifter]

Is there a generally accepted ratio that's recommended for most people to start off at then adjust as needed?

Not really. I find this to be highly individual and not a one size fits all. I review a lot of enhanced bloodwork and it’s all over the place in terms of how mast specifically effects estrogen from person to person. You can’t go by others experiences, you’d be doing yourself a disservice.

I think your 2:1 ratio should be fine as you said but the best thing you can do is get blood work 5-7 weeks into the cycle. You’ll get definitive data you can use going forward that can help you structure future cycles. It’ll save you a lot of time and frustration long term. Blood work is always money well spent imo.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I'm planning out a mini-blast to cut on and settled on test + mast, both enanthate. My concern is choosing a ratio that doesn't leave me looking flat and also not giving me low e2 side effects.

I've ran both before with test at 1g and mast at 500mg, and I didn't feel any low e2 side effects except maybe a bit of joint pain. I'm not sure if the side effects will be the same if i linearly scale down the dose, i.e. if i keep the same ratio but lower the doses of both compounds.


Is there a generally accepted ratio that's recommended for most people to start off at then adjust as needed?

400-500mg test, 400-600mg mast. Mast won't give you low e2 like primo. You shouldn't be flat either unless you crush your estrogen with an AI. I ran something similar and threw in 100mg deca for my knee pain. It not only fixed that but definitely made me look fuller. You could swap the deca for tren and then you have the famous TMT stack. That's a good one too.

 

[Pantera]

400-500mg test, 400-600mg mast. Mast won't give you low e2 like primo. You shouldn't be flat either unless you crush your estrogen with an AI. I ran something similar and threw in 100mg deca for my knee pain. It not only fixed that but definitely made me look fuller

I'd prefer to stay away from nandralones just to avoid any potential mental side effects.

Do you think having the test a bit higher than mast would provide the same benefit that deca did for you?

 

[xrayphoton13]

I'd prefer to stay away from nandralones just to avoid any potential mental side effects.

Do you think having the test a bit higher than mast would provide the same benefit that deca did for you?

It definitely could. Probably depends if you are a high aromatizer or not. That's probably the best starting place for you to try.
50mg deca should give some joint relief without any mental sides. But I totally understand not wanting to add it.
Another option could even be to swap the masteron for EQ as it can help joints but if it crushes your estrogen that's no good. In some people like me, EQ doesn't lower estrogen but in others it can crush it. Strange compound