What is the pricing range for testosterone powder from China? Doing some background research for an article.
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Testosterone powder - What's the Price of One Kilogram?
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tanuki
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PM'd ya instead.
Ganabol's been ripping people off by marking up 200-500 bucks for his stuff.
Ganabol's been ripping people off by marking up 200-500 bucks for his stuff.
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regular
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You've got pm.
@tanuki &@banner - thanks, that was very helpful. So $700-$1300 seems to be the range for something like testosterone cypionate?
IYHO, what percentage of people who order 1-kg are doing for personal use only vs. resale?
IYHO, what percentage of people who order 1-kg are doing for personal use only vs. resale?
tanuki
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1kg territory pretty safe to say that person is reselling. 90% sure. 1kg will get you roughly 380-395 10cc bottles at 250 grams according to the math. That's accounting for loss. Probably costs 10 bucks to make the stuff. Sold for $35-100 bucks dependent on certain variable. So why wouldn't you?
Powders are easier to get through customs, but all it takes is one time. Everybody goes down if they stay in the game long enough. If you live in certain areas of the country I wouldn't even try to purchase powder. LEOs with too much time on their hands.
Powders are easier to get through customs, but all it takes is one time. Everybody goes down if they stay in the game long enough. If you live in certain areas of the country I wouldn't even try to purchase powder. LEOs with too much time on their hands.
I've been reading court documents about a guy who had 1.7 kilograms of powder on hand and was sentenced to 37 months in prison.
He could have been a decent-sized internet source with that amount of powder.
But he claims to have only been supplying a group of about 15 bodybuilding friends with his homebrew. And that was the extent of his "dealing". The govt didn't dispute this.
tanuki
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At 1.7 kg of just Test E or Cyp then that's 680 10ml bottles in an ideal brewing environment. Divide that by 15 so 40 to 45 bottles per guy. Depending on how much they take, 1-2 years worth of on cycle testosterone.
If he was an internet dealer he'd be new to the game. Do they have a records of previous purchases? 1.7kg is a decent enough amount for small time internet sources with a core group of customers. Small time compared to the bigger operations. Another explanation is he could be a remailer. Brewing test only and slapping whatever labs' label on the bottles. Easier to link yourself to an already established name.
37 months is bullshit even if he was a supplier. Guys that actually hurt people have gotten less time.
Pericles
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Pericles
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tanuki
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BTW these court records publicly available? Curious about a couple of things. Did customs snag it or he was snitched on? From a small town or big city?
IMO those things make a world of difference.
IMO those things make a world of difference.
It was San Francisco customs. But prosecuted by Oklahoma feds.
Here's more about his case:
Something I wrote for another website --> https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134327779
I wrote an article critical of the prosecutor's use of Wikipedia for MESO --> Federal Prosecutors Use Wikipedia as Source for Steroid Information
Tulsa World news article --> http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20121004_14_A8_ULNSbg248509
And I have another article coming this weekend.
The court documents are public domain. They are available online at Public Access to Court Electronic Records for a fee.
90%.....I tihnk you meant 99.99%
BTW, what areas of the country are you referring to?
Oklahoma isn't a bodybuilder- or steroid-friendly state. I've written a lot about "muscle profiling" and various witch-hunts against competitive bodybuilders (including IFBB pros and national-level NPC competitors) in Oklahoma.
Browse through these articles and you'll see what I mean --> Search for "oklahoma" - MESO-Rx
tanuki
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Ouch west coast customs. His supplier was a shitty one then. LAX and SFO are constantly looking for counterfeit goods and if they find other goodies along the way that's just that much sweeter. If you buy a small amount to test out your supplier and it goes through the west coast drop that guy like a bad habit. This goes for knockoff products too which I use to import.
Compounded by the fact that he lives in a small town in Oklahoma. One thing I hated about living in a red state is those people legislating morality.
Dude caught some unlucky breaks.
Thanks for the info.
Compounded by the fact that he lives in a small town in Oklahoma. One thing I hated about living in a red state is those people legislating morality.
Dude caught some unlucky breaks.
Thanks for the info.
What's interesting is the SAME public defender used the SAME argument before the SAME judge and the SAME prosecutors for another bodybuilder who used and shared steroids with his friends.
The judge gave that guy ONE month when prosecutors asked for 15-21 months.
So I'm not sure why the different outcome. Probably the quantity of AAS involved plus the previous drug conviction were significant.
matthewjasper
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interested.
regular
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My personal philosophy is to pay extra for the peace of mind you get when ordering from a source with a great reputation. You can find guys with much lower advertised prices who have mixed reviews ie they're selective scammers or they don't provide insurance etc.
IMO 0% of people buying a kg of test are doing so for personal use. Lets do the math. (1000g product / 3grams per bottle ) - (1000g product * .03 intentional overage ) = 303.33 bottles subtract .33 bottles to account for losses due to mechanical manipulation. We now have 303 bottles for sale. The guy I know who uses more test than anyone I know uses a gram of tne daily. So, even for a heavy user like him a kg of test would last 2.7 years. No one is going to sit on that much product for 2.7 years minimum and not sell any.
Lets do the math. (1700g product / 3g per bottle) - (1700g product * .03 intentional overage) = 515.66 subtract the .66 due to losses in mechanical manipulation and we’re left with 515 bottles for sale. 515 bottles / 15 users not accounting for the UGL operator’s personal usage = 34.33 bottles each. That’s 102.99 grams of test per end user excluding the operator who is undoubtedly using as well. In what timespan can 15 guys use 102.99 grams of product each? It really depends on the size of the end users. As I stated above, I know a guy that uses a gram of tne daily. So he could use his share within 102.99g / 30.5 days = 3.37 months. Also, a lot of guys using test buy 10 bottles at a time and sell a bottle here or there to a friend which offsets the cost of their own personal usage. He may have been dealing with only 15 guys directly but they could have been moving product too.
Was he telling the truth about the amount of end users he was supplying? I have no idea. At that point the government already has him admitting to possessing the product for resale so what more would they gain by arguing over the amount of clients he’s selling to? It may not have even been worth their trouble.
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tanuki
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Read the documents, it seems like he rolled over right away to the LEOs that showed up. He probably made the job too easy for the prosecution and too hard on the public defender. In any situation dealing with LE all you need to do is identify yourself and shut the fuck up.
In the end the guy set himself up to lose in so many ways. Dude was a dealer, but not an internet dealer.
Had a chuckle at the Wikipedia sourcing. So all the PD had to do was long on to the page and edit it so that testosterone cures cancer, AIDS, and give you a better quality of life . My god how the education system has gone down the toilet. What Mickey Mouse law school did the prosecutor attend? And for the judge to allow that! Shaking my head as I type.
The comment about there's a good reason why the whores in Congress made this stuff a schedule substance gave me a chuckle too. Yea the reason being American athletes got their asses handed to them so now we tell everyone how to live their lives.
Respect to you Millard for keeping the community informed. No other site owner does what you do.
In the end the guy set himself up to lose in so many ways. Dude was a dealer, but not an internet dealer.
Had a chuckle at the Wikipedia sourcing. So all the PD had to do was long on to the page and edit it so that testosterone cures cancer, AIDS, and give you a better quality of life . My god how the education system has gone down the toilet. What Mickey Mouse law school did the prosecutor attend? And for the judge to allow that! Shaking my head as I type.
The comment about there's a good reason why the whores in Congress made this stuff a schedule substance gave me a chuckle too. Yea the reason being American athletes got their asses handed to them so now we tell everyone how to live their lives.
Respect to you Millard for keeping the community informed. No other site owner does what you do.
Pericles
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Now LE will probably monitor my mail for the next few months
Mine too, yikes.
A guy I know, I even wrote a letter for him (was still teaching college back then)
was moving more tham $100K in product a year for 6 years got 2.5 years. Of course his grandparents and he ponied up $80K for his lawyer.
He was fortunate tp do time in federal lock up, not Texas. His wonderfull wife divorced him and took the house, but he got his Smootie Factory, which is doing over $350 k in business a yoar which means he is in good shape financially.
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pm you / probly never over 1`grand for a kilo , but i wouldnt know
