The Health Effects of Oil in our Gear

[OldGHGuy]

@readalot I fear this could be a really dumb question but 'fortune favors the bold' so I will ask it:

Do the oil bases of our gear have any effect on blood lipid profile? We take special care to consume the right oils (olive, etc) but what of the oils we inject?

 

[TheRingloVale]

Woah there buddy, how many CCs do you plan on injecting?

 

[Inspired]

I prefer MCT oil. If you read about polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA's) and how toxic and inflammatory they are, then you'd know it's best to avoid them.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Woah there buddy, how many CCs do you plan on injecting?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Just TRT and an occasional small blast. Just wondering how directly injecting oils into the body might be absorbed and what effect it must have on lipid profile. Nobody seems to talk about this so it must not be a big deal (or maybe it is and we should talk about it!)

For example: And I preface this with I know nothing about brewing and don't plan to brew but...Why not olive oil base or some other "good" fat base that would potentially help HDL? You would get the added benefit of good fats being absorbed with the AAS.

 

[readalot]

@readalot I fear this could be a really dumb question but 'fortune favors the bold' so I will ask it:

Do the oil bases of our gear have any effect on blood lipid profile? We take special care to consume the right oils (olive, etc) but what of the oils we inject?

Great question and absolutely negligible.

Let's do some quick math.

Assume you are injecting 10 ml per week which would be roughly 10 g of oil per week (assume your gear is bunk and it is just oil). Keeping it round numbers as much as I hate to approximate.

Now consider someone eating 2000 kcal per day and 10% fat by kcal (old school BB macros).

What a horrible waste of androgens, right? Just an example for fun.

2000 kcal / d × 0.1 = 200 kcal per day of fat or 1400 kcal /week of fat.

1400 kcal/week ÷ 9 kcal / g fat = 156 g of fat per week.

Compare 156 g of fat ingested per week vs roughly 10 g injected.

That is at least of order of magnitude difference. Obviously if you only inject 1 ml per week (or about a gram oil) then the difference is at least two orders of magnitude.

Whether injected or ingested the fatty acids have to be taken up through the lymphatic system for metabolism.

So in summary I would worry about the amount of androgens you are injecting (mixed with the oil) and any potential impurities along for the ride. I would not worry about the miniscule amount of oil injected unless we get into the strange world of synthol.

By the way (just me), eating 1600 g of fat per week (70% kcal from fat) has kept my triglcerides at 40 and hdl at 70 (US units) in the past.

Taking up your Test levels to supraphysiologic will start to affect hepatic lipase levels in liver and lead to some lipid profile deterioration in many. This is not to mention the sledge hammer effect of 17AA Androgens like OX and STAN.

Hope this helps. Next we could get into the various types of oils used for injectables but I will leave it there for now.

Hope that helps.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Great question and absolutely negligible.

Let's do some quick math.

Assume you are injecting 10 ml per week which would be roughly 10 g of oil per week. Keeping it round numbers as much as I hate to approximate.

Now consider someone eating 2000 kcal per day and 10% fat by kcal (old school BB macros).

What a horrible waste of androgens, right? Just an example for fun.

2000 kcal / d × 0.1 = 200 kcal per day of fat or 1400 kcal /week of fat.

1400 kcal/week ÷ 9 kcal / g fat = 156 g of fat per week.

Compare 156 g of fat ingested per week vs roughly 10 g injected.

That is at least of order of magnitude difference. Obviously if you only inject 1 ml per week (or about a gram oil) then the difference is at least two orders of magnitude.

Whether injected or ingested the fatty acids have to be taken up through the lymphatic system for metabolism.

So in summary I would worry about the amount of androgens you are injecting (mixed with the oil) and any potential impurities along for the ride. I would not worry about the miniscule amount of oil injected unless we get into the strange world of synthol.

By the way (just me), eating 1600 g of fat per week (70% kcal from fat) has kept my triglcerides at 40 and hdl at 70 (US units) in the past.

Taking up your Test levels to supraphysiologic will start to affect hepatic lipase levels in liver and lead to some lipid profile deterioration in many. This is not to mention the sledge hammer effect of 17AA Androgens like OX and STAN.

Hope this helps. Next we could get into the various types of oils used for injectable but I will leave it there for now.

Hope that helps.

Typical awesome answer. It just SEEMS like we are injecting way more oil than we would consume to me... but I guess not. Well done and thank you sir!

 

[readalot]

Typical awesome answer. It just SEEMS like we are injecting way more oil than we would consume to me... but I guess not. Well done and thank you sir!

Haha thanks. My pleasure. I know I am not but if anyone on here is injecting 100 g per week of gear (>= 200 mg of aas / ml solution) I want to hear from you!

 

[OldGHGuy]

Haha thanks. My pleasure. I know I am not but if anyone on here is injecting 100 g per week of gear (>= 200 mg of aas / ml solution) I want to hear from you!

Oh I'm sure there's somebody....

 

[readalot]

D

Oh I'm sure there's somebody....

Don't forget to ring the bell up above please if my post was of value. I will never reach "guru" status at this pace LOL!

 

[Inspired]

Great question and absolutely negligible.

Let's do some quick math.

Assume you are injecting 10 ml per week which would be roughly 10 g of oil per week (assume your gear is bunk and it is just oil). Keeping it round numbers as much as I hate to approximate.

Now consider someone eating 2000 kcal per day and 10% fat by kcal (old school BB macros).

What a horrible waste of androgens, right? Just an example for fun.

2000 kcal / d × 0.1 = 200 kcal per day of fat or 1400 kcal /week of fat.

1400 kcal/week ÷ 9 kcal / g fat = 156 g of fat per week.

Compare 156 g of fat ingested per week vs roughly 10 g injected.

That is at least of order of magnitude difference. Obviously if you only inject 1 ml per week (or about a gram oil) then the difference is at least two orders of magnitude.

Whether injected or ingested the fatty acids have to be taken up through the lymphatic system for metabolism.

So in summary I would worry about the amount of androgens you are injecting (mixed with the oil) and any potential impurities along for the ride. I would not worry about the miniscule amount of oil injected unless we get into the strange world of synthol.

By the way (just me), eating 1600 g of fat per week (70% kcal from fat) has kept my triglcerides at 40 and hdl at 70 (US units) in the past.

Taking up your Test levels to supraphysiologic will start to affect hepatic lipase levels in liver and lead to some lipid profile deterioration in many. This is not to mention the sledge hammer effect of 17AA Androgens like OX and STAN.

Hope this helps. Next we could get into the various types of oils used for injectables but I will leave it there for now.

Hope that helps.

I like the effort you put into this post, but injecting inflammatory oils is likely worse than ingesting them.

 

[readalot]

I like the effort you put into this post, but injecting inflammatory oils is likely worse than ingesting them.

Thank you. I'd like to understand this better. My understanding was that those triglycerides (whether ingested or injected) will find their way to lipoprotein lipase on the blood vessel wall. Does the ingestion of more inflammatory oils confer some protective advantage over injection? I'd love to discuss. Appreciate you taking the time.

Some reference material that may be helpful to those interested in all this...

5.5: Digestion and Absorption of Lipids

med.libretexts.org

5.6: Lipid Transport, Storage, and Utilization

med.libretexts.org

Chylomicrons Deliver Lipids to Cells for Utilization and Storage​

On the previous page, we learned that chylomicrons are formed in the cells of the small intestine, absorbed into the lymph vessels, and then eventually delivered into the bloodstream. The job of chylomicrons is to deliver triglycerides (originating from digested food) to the cells of the body, where they can be used as an energy source or stored in adipose tissue for future use.

How do the triglycerides get from the chylomicrons into cells? An enzyme called lipoprotein lipase sits on the surface of cells that line the blood vessels. It breaks down triglycerides into fatty acids and glycerol, which can then enter nearby cells. If those cells need energy right away, they’ll oxidize the fatty acids to generate ATP. If they don’t need energy right away, they’ll reassemble the fatty acids and glycerol into triglycerides and store them for later use.