Thinking of using deca for the first time. Looking for some insight.

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Day #4 of 3’s realization phase
Barbell row
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
185lbs x 5
225lbs x 3
275lbs x 15,15,13(straps used)

One arm dumbbell row(straps used)
125lbs x 20,20(I need bigger dumbbells)

Lat pulldowns
90lbs x 10
140lbs x 5
245lbs x 10,8,8

Incline dumbbell curl
45lbs x 10
50lbs x 7,6

Rear dumbbell lateral raises
50lbs x 10,10,10

Barbell shrugs
135lbs x 15
225lbs x 10
315lbs x 10(straps used for the rest of my sets)
365lbs x 10

Left shoulder is still a bit fucked up. It feels like a pinch between my front and middle head of the delt. As stated previously My last full pin of deca was today. It’s looking like I am only going to have about .3-.4 mgs for my pin on Monday and that is it. Thought I would have enough for two days but it’s not looking like that. Hilma vials are a bit deceiving.

Well, looking to wrap this up this week and that will be it. Nothing new to report on today.

 

[malfeasance]

275 for 15 reps on barbell rows for multiple sets? You are pretty seriously strong.

 

[decadickbrah]

I'm basically running the same right now but with higher test (750 mg cyp / wk), 400 deca, and 300 mast. Your dosages look good though and I wouldn't change anything especially since you haven't touched deca before. Just keep dosing ai the same as you have been and keep the caber on hand, but as you said I wouldn't recommend using it unless you absolutely need it.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

275 for 15 reps on barbell rows for multiple sets? You are pretty seriously strong.

Thank you. I would like to do it without lifting straps but my grip strength just isn’t there yet. And it is cold as fuck where I live to do farmers carries outside so I am kind of stuck right now.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

I'm basically running the same right now but with higher test (750 mg cyp / wk), 400 deca, and 300 mast. Your dosages look good though and I wouldn't change anything especially since you haven't touched deca before. Just keep dosing ai the same as you have been and keep the caber on hand, but as you said I wouldn't recommend using it unless you absolutely need it.

Thank you for the advice. I am on my last week of the run right now so nothing is going to be changed anyway. My last full deca pin was Friday so that kind of wraps it up.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Day #5 of 3’s realization phase
Bodyweight: 201.9lbs

Squat
Bar x 10
135lbs x 10
200lbs x 5
255lbs x 5
305lbs x 3(sleeves used for the rest of my sets)
355lbs x 2
380lbs x 1
405lbs x 1
430lbs x 1(belt used for the rest of my sets)
455lbs x 5
505lbs x 1(PR)

That was it. I didn’t even do my stiff leg accessory work and just focused on the squat.

This pretty much wraps everything up. I guess I will write a final post detailing what I can. Tomorrow is a push/pump day and the main focus of this run was to put on some size and add strength so I most likely will not be doing anymore heavy lifting and prepare for a deload next week. My body is feeling pretty beat up and without running any gear this program recommends a deload every 4 weeks so I think it’s past due. It is also time to taper down the calories to my new maintenance as well.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Okay, I guess I will wrap this up. This might be long so here it goes.....

Bodyweight ended at 202lbs. I have definitely gotten stronger during this run and like @Perrin Aybara has suggested and stated, if I wasn’t doing AMRAP sets every week I definitely would have seen my 1 rep max lifts jump higher than what they were during the run. I also wanted to build some size and the AMRAP sets were a great way to take advantage of hypertrophy goals. I added 5lbs both to my squat and bench(505lbs and 365lbs). I added nothing really in terms of 1RM’a to my deads and press but I definitely had a few rep PR’s. My calories tapered up from 2980 to 4120 and like I stated previously I would have been much happier if I didn’t indulge too much during the holiday eating and drinking. Essentially my starting weight and body composition would have been much better, ultimately leading to a much better outcome appearance wise.

Pros:
I generally felt good. I had a very good sense of well-being throughout the majority of the run. People have stated that they have felt depressed during a deca run. I have felt none of that the entire time. I just generally felt good. Strength definitely increased and I put on some size, even though it wasn’t as much as I thought I would or hoped for. My joints felt pretty good the entire time except for the occasional tweak to my lower back. Recovery seemed very good as well, even when pushing through the heavier weeks at the end and without any deloads too.

Cons:
I felt bloated during the second half of my run pretty much all the time. Don’t know if it was the food, the MK, or the deca. Most likely a combination of it all. My hands felt swollen all the time. My libido was higher than normal but the ability to maintain an erection was a problem. There was one night where I popped a viagra and went for about two to three hours and couldn’t bust. Kind of reminded me of tren. Speaking of tren, I had night sweats pretty bad. Not as bad as tren runs but bad enough to have that disgusting feeling of waking up and having to piss all sweaty and shit and then come back to cold, sweat drenched sheets. It was pretty fucking annoying. The gyno and nipple sensitivity issue was very hard to get a control on it seemed. In fact, I believe the small lump on my right nipple increased a little from where it originally started out(Surgery will most likely happen some time in the future. I am not sure when, though. It could be in 2 years or it could be in 5. I’m not exactly sure.). At the height of my AI and ancillary dosing I was at .5mgs of arimidex EOD and 20mgs of nolva on the opposite days EOD. Keep in mind that I need .5mgs of arimidex twice a week for my normal TRT does of 150mgs weekly just to keep my estro in check(~29). I would also like to mention some hair shedding as well. However, my hair was shedding pretty bad before I even started this run. I can’t blame it on the run but I do feel like I have to mention it nonetheless.

Overall, I guess I feel so, so about the run. Not exactly what I was expecting and let down from other aspects of it. Don’t know if I would ever run deca again or just stick to the shorter ester NPP from now on. Definitely not my favorite cycle and it definitely would not be my first choice to run again in the future. Maybe a low dose add on for some joint relief properties? I don’t know.

So this past Monday I only had enough deca in the vial for .3 ml which turned out to be 75mgs of deca. I paired it with 150mgs of test and 120mgs of mast. Today(Wednesday) I just injected the test and mast at the same doses and will do the same on Friday. I will then do the same dosing for the test and mast next week except it will only be on Monday and Thursday. And then finally the following week I will be back to my TRT dose of 150mgs of test once a week without anything else except my arimidex and hcg dosing.


These were photos taken today after a chest/back superset workout and are the last photos I will be posting. These are pretty much the end results of the run. Not the best I have ever looked, by a long shot, but not the worst either. I do have a long way to go before I reach strength or body composition goals. I have always generally cared more about the first rather than the latter but I also don’t want to look like an absolute slob either.

I guess that is pretty much it. If you have any questions or anything that you feel I may be able to help you with, don’t hesitate to ask.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

I also forgot to thank those that have helped or offered insight during the run, @Perrin Aybara and @malfeasance to name the two off the top of my head.

I also forgot to mention that my last dose of both the tbol and the MK was last Saturday and my support supps will continue for one more week(all in one cycle support, tudca, p5p, leviathan nutrition IRE, and kidney). My diet was also spot on, except for the one day I missed one meal. I had no cheat meals whatsoever and no alcohol.

I can’t wait for an intense full bodied glass of red with a nicely marbled bloody ribeye. That will probably happen within the next two weeks.

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Ok it has been a long time since I posted anything on this thread simply because I was done with my cycle and I was only going to run this thread as a log for my first time deca run. Something has come up though that definitely deserves another post. Specifically @malfeasance, this might interest you. It will also interest those of you who purchased from a certain source that is no longer here because of his death by auto and run ins with the law. Or perhaps maybe not because the source is long gone.

After my run had ended I had some additional test cyp left over from my cycle that I was continuing to run until I had ran out of it. The plan was/is that I would run this underground gear let it finish and then switch back over to my prescription test cyp when I run out. Well, needless to say I got bloodwork several weeks after my cycle had ended and was only using 150mgs a week of the underground test cyp which happens to be my trt prescription dose as well. Here are my results:As you can see my test numbers are low. Very low. On my trt test dose of 150mgs of test cyp per week my range is anywhere from 650-800 depending on the time of day of my bloodwork. My test here is in the low 200’s. This may explain a lot of the issues I was having while on cycle. The test that I was taking while on the cycle had to be severely underdosed. Hence the libido issues and the overall feeling of disappointment of the run and consequently telling myself that I probably would never run deca again.

I am seriously wondering how the run would have went if I was actually using properly dosed test. Once again proves a source is only as good as it’s last batch. If I can save the headache and provide a little harm reduction in the post then it has served it’s purpose.

 

[Ferenor]

Ok it has been a long time since I posted anything on this thread simply because I was done with my cycle and I was only going to run this thread as a log for my first time deca run. Something has come up though that definitely deserves another post. Specifically @malfeasance, this might interest you. It will also interest those of you who purchased from a certain source that is no longer here because of his death by auto and run ins with the law. Or perhaps maybe not because the source is long gone.

After my run had ended I had some additional test cyp left over from my cycle that I was continuing to run until I had ran out of it. The plan was/is that I would run this underground gear let it finish and then switch back over to my prescription test cyp when I run out. Well, needless to say I got bloodwork several weeks after my cycle had ended and was only using 150mgs a week of the underground test cyp which happens to be my trt prescription dose as well. Here are my results:View attachment 146759As you can see my test numbers are low. Very low. On my trt test dose of 150mgs of test cyp per week my range is anywhere from 650-800 depending on the time of day of my bloodwork. My test here is in the low 200’s. This may explain a lot of the issues I was having while on cycle. The test that I was taking while on the cycle had to be severely underdosed. Hence the libido issues and the overall feeling of disappointment of the run and consequently telling myself that I probably would never run deca again.

I am seriously wondering how the run would have went if I was actually using properly dosed test. Once again proves a source is only as good as it’s last batch. If I can save the headache and provide a little harm reduction in the post then it has served it’s purpose.

You can share source's name

 

[TheIncomparableMrHarrow]

Titanium

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Deca was great for me. Lots of mass put on. Sex drive was super high. Pretty good strength gains. I dont aromatize much on test but with nandrolone it shot up quite a bit and i have a bit gyno from being cocky and not trying to control it. I probably shouldve considered this because gyno is about ratio of test to e2 and the nandrolone threw that ratio out of proportion. Because on 1g of test i sat at about 26pg of e2

 

[Themassterplan]

Ok it has been a long time since I posted anything on this thread simply because I was done with my cycle and I was only going to run this thread as a log for my first time deca run. Something has come up though that definitely deserves another post. Specifically @malfeasance, this might interest you. It will also interest those of you who purchased from a certain source that is no longer here because of his death by auto and run ins with the law. Or perhaps maybe not because the source is long gone.

After my run had ended I had some additional test cyp left over from my cycle that I was continuing to run until I had ran out of it. The plan was/is that I would run this underground gear let it finish and then switch back over to my prescription test cyp when I run out. Well, needless to say I got bloodwork several weeks after my cycle had ended and was only using 150mgs a week of the underground test cyp which happens to be my trt prescription dose as well. Here are my results:View attachment 146759As you can see my test numbers are low. Very low. On my trt test dose of 150mgs of test cyp per week my range is anywhere from 650-800 depending on the time of day of my bloodwork. My test here is in the low 200’s. This may explain a lot of the issues I was having while on cycle. The test that I was taking while on the cycle had to be severely underdosed. Hence the libido issues and the overall feeling of disappointment of the run and consequently telling myself that I probably would never run deca again.

I am seriously wondering how the run would have went if I was actually using properly dosed test. Once again proves a source is only as good as it’s last batch. If I can save the headache and provide a little harm reduction in the post then it has served it’s purpose.

This sort of fuckery is why I’ve relied on Pharma only products for awhile now. Sure Tren and EQ are great but having to rely on idiots to brew it correctly or just not be POS and underdose product is just too much of a risk IMO. Test, Deca and Var. If you’re not a pro and just doing it for aesthetics, you don’t need much else. I have a friend that runs 200mg TRT, blasts 400-500 pharma grade Test and has a body most guys that are running grams of UGL garbage would kill for. Are all UGL garbage? No, and lots of guys say you can find decent UGL by doing your research on the underground but chances are they’ll start brewing crap gear after awhile. Titanium, Symbiotics, PPL domestic(people were finding floaters a couple years back), hell, even Stanny was having issues with stuff before he went private again or whatever.

 

[malfeasance]

Ok it has been a long time since I posted anything on this thread simply because I was done with my cycle and I was only going to run this thread as a log for my first time deca run. Something has come up though that definitely deserves another post. Specifically @malfeasance, this might interest you. It will also interest those of you who purchased from a certain source that is no longer here because of his death by auto and run ins with the law. Or perhaps maybe not because the source is long gone.

After my run had ended I had some additional test cyp left over from my cycle that I was continuing to run until I had ran out of it. The plan was/is that I would run this underground gear let it finish and then switch back over to my prescription test cyp when I run out. Well, needless to say I got bloodwork several weeks after my cycle had ended and was only using 150mgs a week of the underground test cyp which happens to be my trt prescription dose as well. Here are my results:View attachment 146759As you can see my test numbers are low. Very low. On my trt test dose of 150mgs of test cyp per week my range is anywhere from 650-800 depending on the time of day of my bloodwork. My test here is in the low 200’s. This may explain a lot of the issues I was having while on cycle. The test that I was taking while on the cycle had to be severely underdosed. Hence the libido issues and the overall feeling of disappointment of the run and consequently telling myself that I probably would never run deca again.

I am seriously wondering how the run would have went if I was actually using properly dosed test. Once again proves a source is only as good as it’s last batch. If I can save the headache and provide a little harm reduction in the post then it has served it’s purpose.

That certainly could explain a lot, and it sucks. It's not that hard to test your own raws and dose your products properly.