[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone]Nandrolone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
I have always been suprised to observe that this steroid (Nandrolone) seems so overlooked as a real alternative to better health (possibly), and perhaps importantly as a more actively used treatment for more common injuries, illnesses, and general health conditions. This seems like a good place to "blow the lid off" if it is possible, and try to determine specifically what medical and general health applications this drug may indeed have, as well as any real negative effects, A.K.A. "side-effects".... So I begin with the Wiki Reference as above, which appears pretty limited in comparison to some of the more detailed educational Wiki infomation currently available for so many subjects available these days. With relation to any proposed public and scientific ignorance that is due to speculated fear mongering and steroid witch hunts, the fact that Wiki remains low profile on such a potentially hot topic, seems interesting proof in its self.
Simply put, the drug is so foreign to accepted medical scientific use that the only reference I found in Bill Robert's steroid description column is to Deca Durabolin. And not even Nandrolone as a master to this concept. At least on a glance. Thus again indicating only popularity in underground AAS use as a primary public knowledge. I noticed this as the work "Nandrolone" does not highlight as blue in text when reviewing my writing. Am I mis-spelling?!
Nandrolone, commonly known as Deca Durabolin in the sports world, has been around, in use, and apparently studied for quite some time now. However, it remains very low profile publicly, and only known as an ellicit steroid that was used by some olympic runner in my mind. I think more recently a professional baseball player was accused of supplementing with it. The "Deca" in Deca Durabolin stands for the application of the Decanoate ester for those of you who are into basic testosterone supplementation, which in laymans terms means it has a effective two week half life, as compared to Cypionate or Enantate (which is more like one week). So Deca Durabolin in essence is Nandrolone which is esterfied with Decanoate esters to preserve its active life once applied to the body.
Interestingly enough, there appears to be a new ester which is gaining popularity. Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate (NPP), which is Nandrolone with the Phenyl Propionate ester applied instead of the classic Decanote (which renders the notorious evil steroid, "Deca"). Again for those familiar with testosterone and its commonly applied esters, this is similar the the steroid Testosterone Propionate, which has an effective 3 day active half-life. If you go out and search underground steroid markets, you will find a great deal of this available as of recent years, and now seeming to pinnacle in availability. I think this speaks volumes politicaly as well as scientifically. Minimally, it should shed some new light on some of the claims about extreme an extended HPTA shutdown associated with Deca Durabolin, as it should provide to limit real experience to a more controllable application in steroid use. As it has been stated that the body may generate its own very miniscule and limited endogenous Nandrolone, one could speculate that perhaps any real extended shutdown could possibly be related to this fact. Consider that if the body naturally produces and metabolizes as much as 10mgs of testosterone per day, and one is applying 200mgs per week - this is not a big shot in exogenous-to-endogenous HPTA effect relatively speaking if we are talking sheer volume. Now consider applying 200mgs per week of a steroid that the body may only naturally produce 1/100th of (Nandrolone). How long could esterfied Nandrolone lingering in body fat potentiall supply a 100% exogenous supplemental source and for how long!? So if Nandrolone is indeed DIRECTLY tied to the HPTA, you could see where one running a single AAS type steroid cycle involving this drug could potentially TOTALLY satisfy the natural biological supply/demand curve for a very long time many biological metabolic variables included. This is just one tiny aspect.
A noteworthy point would be: Just how little Nandrolone might it take to achieve exotic youth-like skeletal characteristics?!? The most common failure in the OTC supplement market is mass overdosing cause the stuff is dirt cheap and thus more is sold and the doing regimen is marketed potentiall as much higher than necessary as a flattering sales point. This is one of the failures due to lack of governing controls which is problematic with this market.
So what are the real world acknowledged uses for Nandrolone today? It seems like I have heard the following. Simply that steroid users take it for sports, and that perhaps it may now be acknowledge to help AIDS and Cancer patients.... Publically, this would be the average Joes' working knowledge if they just picked up a news paper over the years. Realistically, aging now and starting to worry about arthritis, I flash back in my mind the the reported "watering of the joints", and have to wonder. Arthritis is a much more profound term than young guys realize. Arthritis is basically the acknowledgement that your young and highly physically active life may be nearing its end. It means REAL PAIN. It means that your joints are now starting to reach a point in the heal and repair process to which is no longer working properly. There are many types and many hypotheses these days as to the causes. An IMPORTANT POINT is that current medical science is AGAIN focuses on mitigating damage after its incurred, rather than preventing $
$. So being a guy that might wind up with a couple of femurs packed with cement to hold a couple of metal stakes with my new ball joints atop, I hazzard to wonder. The MAGIC QUESTION is, does Nandrolone simply MASK JOINT/BONE PAIN, or is it mitigating damage. The current medical and scientic political regimes would have you think you are just "watering the joints". They are not? Then acknowledge the other way - OR THEY ARE.... The bottom line is that medical science DOES acknowledge increase collagen activity due to Nandrolone use, which also happens to be involved with the human and animal skeletal joint system. I saw a formal acknkowledgement scientifically published today about the use of Vitamin D at levels of 800ius now proven to have a substantial impact on human skeletal heath. And how long did it take to proliferate Vitamin D!? LOL. I dont have that much time myself. I dont think my children do either for that matter. There are studies out there. There have to be and it is time to find them...!
But lets not forget the other aspects. The OTHER EFFECTS, Concomitant Effects, the effects not positive to good health, the effects not condusive to Bottom Line$ - The dreaded SIDE EFFECTS. What are these in reality? Psychological? Physical? And given reference to current or speculated dosing protocals relative to different conditions as applied?
One could speculate that one of the primary reasons for public and political fears about "Steroids" would be that they could ellicit people with superior strength and firepower that could threaten current ruling regimes. Well more like past. After all, when a society is managing a population of citizens, you dont want to think that there are drugs out there that could render some of them psychotic and strong like mosters that could just kick your door in and rape you wife and children prior to sitting back in your recliner and finishing off your Walker Blue whist using your back as a foot rest. BUUUURP... With regard to "Deca", its pretty much been proven at this point that the steroid does not make superhumanly strong monsters. In fact, its common knowledge that for body building purposes, its pretty much thought of as worthless for getting huge without the use of other steroids simultaneously. So what's the hold up? Is it the fact that people may live longer at given capacites thus uprooting the political FINANCIAL aspects of society. Logans Run realized - so to speak. The world can only support so many "air suckers" LOL... But this would be the proof that it could be a good life extension type drug. Funny, you never see that one advertised. How about Big Business, or BIG PHARMA? What would it mean to the hip and knee industry (Hardware)? What would it mean to the Phamaceautical industry manufacturing all the wonderful arthritis drugs that are stroking and blinding folks daily? What would it mean to the street level dealers even? The Docs? You could discount these concepts but in reality, artritis and skeletal related disease is a major facet in medicine today. Consider we have the BABY BOOMER Generation just gobbling, and soon to be completely crippled. Thats a big group of folks!
I have always preaching the notion that you can sit around and cypher all you want, but some of the greatest minds have already thought, and after much circling we wind up with status quo - so why waste the time!? And given the Rigidy REQUIRED in proper political and fiscal social management - THERE IS NO ROOM FOR CHANGE. The fact that the crossroad was passed long ago in its self is self limiting as well as morally and technically justifiable as a reason to take the path of caution. I will not deny this. But perhaps BIG Challenges = BIG FUN... Further, there are TWO WAYS to get ahead in a democracy. This is the whole beauty of it. And we are sitting in Roman Times today that make Sparticus look like both a slave and an aristocrat. So one way to help yourself today is to fall into business success and have a TON of money, and so much that you cant help but run into those on the cutting edge and then be able to afford luxurious spoon feeding. The Second way is INFORMATION. The point of this forum. ANYONE can educate themselve to be saavy enough to know which decisions to make if they want to. The Capital markets associated with democracy afford for even common folk to manage to find a way if it exists. There is the premise of course, that evil finds evils, and unfortunately the voices of squeaky wheels are heard far above those of others. Legitimates somehow never seem to even know or notice opportunity. Most likely a failure of sociological wealth as it relates to social perpectives given the topic. And here we are... So now, some more on Nandrolone pleauuuuze....
I have always been suprised to observe that this steroid (Nandrolone) seems so overlooked as a real alternative to better health (possibly), and perhaps importantly as a more actively used treatment for more common injuries, illnesses, and general health conditions. This seems like a good place to "blow the lid off" if it is possible, and try to determine specifically what medical and general health applications this drug may indeed have, as well as any real negative effects, A.K.A. "side-effects".... So I begin with the Wiki Reference as above, which appears pretty limited in comparison to some of the more detailed educational Wiki infomation currently available for so many subjects available these days. With relation to any proposed public and scientific ignorance that is due to speculated fear mongering and steroid witch hunts, the fact that Wiki remains low profile on such a potentially hot topic, seems interesting proof in its self.
Simply put, the drug is so foreign to accepted medical scientific use that the only reference I found in Bill Robert's steroid description column is to Deca Durabolin. And not even Nandrolone as a master to this concept. At least on a glance. Thus again indicating only popularity in underground AAS use as a primary public knowledge. I noticed this as the work "Nandrolone" does not highlight as blue in text when reviewing my writing. Am I mis-spelling?!
Nandrolone, commonly known as Deca Durabolin in the sports world, has been around, in use, and apparently studied for quite some time now. However, it remains very low profile publicly, and only known as an ellicit steroid that was used by some olympic runner in my mind. I think more recently a professional baseball player was accused of supplementing with it. The "Deca" in Deca Durabolin stands for the application of the Decanoate ester for those of you who are into basic testosterone supplementation, which in laymans terms means it has a effective two week half life, as compared to Cypionate or Enantate (which is more like one week). So Deca Durabolin in essence is Nandrolone which is esterfied with Decanoate esters to preserve its active life once applied to the body.
Interestingly enough, there appears to be a new ester which is gaining popularity. Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate (NPP), which is Nandrolone with the Phenyl Propionate ester applied instead of the classic Decanote (which renders the notorious evil steroid, "Deca"). Again for those familiar with testosterone and its commonly applied esters, this is similar the the steroid Testosterone Propionate, which has an effective 3 day active half-life. If you go out and search underground steroid markets, you will find a great deal of this available as of recent years, and now seeming to pinnacle in availability. I think this speaks volumes politicaly as well as scientifically. Minimally, it should shed some new light on some of the claims about extreme an extended HPTA shutdown associated with Deca Durabolin, as it should provide to limit real experience to a more controllable application in steroid use. As it has been stated that the body may generate its own very miniscule and limited endogenous Nandrolone, one could speculate that perhaps any real extended shutdown could possibly be related to this fact. Consider that if the body naturally produces and metabolizes as much as 10mgs of testosterone per day, and one is applying 200mgs per week - this is not a big shot in exogenous-to-endogenous HPTA effect relatively speaking if we are talking sheer volume. Now consider applying 200mgs per week of a steroid that the body may only naturally produce 1/100th of (Nandrolone). How long could esterfied Nandrolone lingering in body fat potentiall supply a 100% exogenous supplemental source and for how long!? So if Nandrolone is indeed DIRECTLY tied to the HPTA, you could see where one running a single AAS type steroid cycle involving this drug could potentially TOTALLY satisfy the natural biological supply/demand curve for a very long time many biological metabolic variables included. This is just one tiny aspect.
A noteworthy point would be: Just how little Nandrolone might it take to achieve exotic youth-like skeletal characteristics?!? The most common failure in the OTC supplement market is mass overdosing cause the stuff is dirt cheap and thus more is sold and the doing regimen is marketed potentiall as much higher than necessary as a flattering sales point. This is one of the failures due to lack of governing controls which is problematic with this market.
So what are the real world acknowledged uses for Nandrolone today? It seems like I have heard the following. Simply that steroid users take it for sports, and that perhaps it may now be acknowledge to help AIDS and Cancer patients.... Publically, this would be the average Joes' working knowledge if they just picked up a news paper over the years. Realistically, aging now and starting to worry about arthritis, I flash back in my mind the the reported "watering of the joints", and have to wonder. Arthritis is a much more profound term than young guys realize. Arthritis is basically the acknowledgement that your young and highly physically active life may be nearing its end. It means REAL PAIN. It means that your joints are now starting to reach a point in the heal and repair process to which is no longer working properly. There are many types and many hypotheses these days as to the causes. An IMPORTANT POINT is that current medical science is AGAIN focuses on mitigating damage after its incurred, rather than preventing $
$. So being a guy that might wind up with a couple of femurs packed with cement to hold a couple of metal stakes with my new ball joints atop, I hazzard to wonder. The MAGIC QUESTION is, does Nandrolone simply MASK JOINT/BONE PAIN, or is it mitigating damage. The current medical and scientic political regimes would have you think you are just "watering the joints". They are not? Then acknowledge the other way - OR THEY ARE.... The bottom line is that medical science DOES acknowledge increase collagen activity due to Nandrolone use, which also happens to be involved with the human and animal skeletal joint system. I saw a formal acknkowledgement scientifically published today about the use of Vitamin D at levels of 800ius now proven to have a substantial impact on human skeletal heath. And how long did it take to proliferate Vitamin D!? LOL. I dont have that much time myself. I dont think my children do either for that matter. There are studies out there. There have to be and it is time to find them...!But lets not forget the other aspects. The OTHER EFFECTS, Concomitant Effects, the effects not positive to good health, the effects not condusive to Bottom Line$ - The dreaded SIDE EFFECTS. What are these in reality? Psychological? Physical? And given reference to current or speculated dosing protocals relative to different conditions as applied?
One could speculate that one of the primary reasons for public and political fears about "Steroids" would be that they could ellicit people with superior strength and firepower that could threaten current ruling regimes. Well more like past. After all, when a society is managing a population of citizens, you dont want to think that there are drugs out there that could render some of them psychotic and strong like mosters that could just kick your door in and rape you wife and children prior to sitting back in your recliner and finishing off your Walker Blue whist using your back as a foot rest. BUUUURP... With regard to "Deca", its pretty much been proven at this point that the steroid does not make superhumanly strong monsters. In fact, its common knowledge that for body building purposes, its pretty much thought of as worthless for getting huge without the use of other steroids simultaneously. So what's the hold up? Is it the fact that people may live longer at given capacites thus uprooting the political FINANCIAL aspects of society. Logans Run realized - so to speak. The world can only support so many "air suckers" LOL... But this would be the proof that it could be a good life extension type drug. Funny, you never see that one advertised. How about Big Business, or BIG PHARMA? What would it mean to the hip and knee industry (Hardware)? What would it mean to the Phamaceautical industry manufacturing all the wonderful arthritis drugs that are stroking and blinding folks daily? What would it mean to the street level dealers even? The Docs? You could discount these concepts but in reality, artritis and skeletal related disease is a major facet in medicine today. Consider we have the BABY BOOMER Generation just gobbling, and soon to be completely crippled. Thats a big group of folks!
I have always preaching the notion that you can sit around and cypher all you want, but some of the greatest minds have already thought, and after much circling we wind up with status quo - so why waste the time!? And given the Rigidy REQUIRED in proper political and fiscal social management - THERE IS NO ROOM FOR CHANGE. The fact that the crossroad was passed long ago in its self is self limiting as well as morally and technically justifiable as a reason to take the path of caution. I will not deny this. But perhaps BIG Challenges = BIG FUN... Further, there are TWO WAYS to get ahead in a democracy. This is the whole beauty of it. And we are sitting in Roman Times today that make Sparticus look like both a slave and an aristocrat. So one way to help yourself today is to fall into business success and have a TON of money, and so much that you cant help but run into those on the cutting edge and then be able to afford luxurious spoon feeding. The Second way is INFORMATION. The point of this forum. ANYONE can educate themselve to be saavy enough to know which decisions to make if they want to. The Capital markets associated with democracy afford for even common folk to manage to find a way if it exists. There is the premise of course, that evil finds evils, and unfortunately the voices of squeaky wheels are heard far above those of others. Legitimates somehow never seem to even know or notice opportunity. Most likely a failure of sociological wealth as it relates to social perpectives given the topic. And here we are... So now, some more on Nandrolone pleauuuuze....
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