Torn between 2 anabolics

[Steerike]

Hey, I'm a 25 yr old, 5'-10'' 180lb athlete preparing my second
cycle. I'm wanting to add about 20 lbs and some considerable
strength. I DON'T want alot of water retension. I'm considering
either a 300 mg Deca and 500 mg Sust cycle or a 400 mg Eq
500 mg Sust cycle. Any preferences, sugestions? What about
after cycle suggestions. After my 1st cycle (250 Sust for 10
weeks by itself) I didn't use anything to come off (mistake)and
I didn't want to even think about the gym (Although I retained
most of my gains). Thanx!

 

[billybobjones]

Eq

I would with the EQ, less sides and it has a close to the same effect as deca.

 

[Desibaba]

If you want mostly lean mass then arimidex would have to be in your cycle on a daily basis.You might gain less overall weight but personally i dont think its a smart idea to "Gain" 25 lbs if 18 of them is simply water.Makes you look fat and lose defintion.Half an Mg of arimidex everyday should get the job done. Have you considered a cycle like 500 mgs Test and 250 mgs Tren enanthate a week???

 

[TheSpectre]

I agree, trenbolone is your best bet for mass without water weight.

 

[crewboss]

I agree, trenbolone is your best bet for mass without water weight.

yes test/tren or test/eq

 

[jocko]

go with the eq

 

[novicebb]

I would with the EQ, less sides and it has a close to the same effect as deca.

I absolutely agree. Many people told me that when I first took EQ it was going to make me hungry than a mutha, but it didn't increase my appetite at all. I will say this I was on deca-300 for 4 weeks and that shit killed my sex drive. I made some great gains but just killed my sex drive. But when I was able to get it up , I shot blanks so that was a benefit. That is why I will probably go with EQ the next time on my cycle with Testonsterone Enanthate and Methyl-1test

 

[scrappy]

Eq did make me hungry but believe it or not something otc can help with that like hot rox...
Anyway, I wouldn't do deca and would go with test and eq with arim at .25mg ed or eod and 10mg nolv with 50mg clomid if you can tolerate it. you may also want to do 500IU 2x/week of hcg while on.
For PCT you can stick with just nolv and clom. Upping the clom to 100 the first week

 

[KTCKSports]

20 pounds 'lean mass' is probably unrealistic. If you gain 20 pounds, you will probably lose a good portion from water weight and simply the natural losses from coming off a cycle. 10 pounds of lean mass is more realistic. EQ is good for lean mass gains, but I'm trying Tren for the first time beginning in 2 weeks instead of EQ.

 

[scrappy]

tren is great for a lot of guys but if you are prone to prolactin sides than consider dostinex or avoid it. When I tried tren a while ago there were no strategies for the prolactin sides and I didn't get gyno lump but I had puffy nipps/chest...It subsided and now I avoid tren, deca and anadrol. At least when things convert to Estrogen you can block them with arim and nolv. prolactin maybe you can block with dostinex and in theory it looks that way but I don't know if there is enough real world knowledge about it yet

 

[ryan400]

Of the two cycles I owuld go with the test/EQ and as was said above use adex.

 

[billybobjones]

brother

EQ for sure

 

[ydrpysg]

eq is the better choice. but, deca is an ok option. or, compromise and take both.

 

[Homer simpson]

Come on guys he said this is his second cycle, do you think he is ready for tren having only one cycle under his belt.... He has only done sust at 250 per week. IMHO I think you should hold off on the Tren for a few more cycles.

But to answer your question, I would go with the EQ.


Homer

 

[TheSpectre]

Come on guys he said this is his second cycle, do you think he is ready for tren having only one cycle under his belt.... He has only done sust at 250 per week. IMHO I think you should hold off on the Tren for a few more cycles.

But to answer your question, I would go with the EQ.


Homer

Why the hell would you advise 'against' tren for a second cyle. That makes no since. You make the best gains with your first few cycles why waste it on cruddy ass equipoise when tren is just as cheap and about 5 to 8x more effective in all areas. And don't give me the crap about how toxic it is until you can show me some legitimate MEDICAL reportS on how toxic it is. Not only that how about a report from a USER of TRENBOLE!!! You can't find one. Becuase tren is is the most over-rated steroid as far as toxicity. That kidney damage is plain bullshit, guys have been on tren for years where is one report on someone needing dialysis because of trenbolone?????

 

[Frankenstud]

Go with Test500 EQ400. If you measure your progress by strength rather than the scale or water weight or any of that shit you will be much better off. People get to caught up with their weight and looks during a cycle that they neglect the true measure of progress in this sport....strength increase.

 

[madman]

Test + EQ IMO

 

[Homer simpson]

Why the hell would you advise 'against' tren for a second cyle. That makes no since. You make the best gains with your first few cycles why waste it on cruddy ass equipoise when tren is just as cheap and about 5 to 8x more effective in all areas. And don't give me the crap about how toxic it is until you can show me some legitimate MEDICAL reportS on how toxic it is. Not only that how about a report from a USER of TRENBOLE!!! You can't find one. Becuase tren is is the most over-rated steroid as far as toxicity. That kidney damage is plain bullshit, guys have been on tren for years where is one report on someone needing dialysis because of trenbolone?????

Well for one thing I didnt say anything about it being toxic, did you just pull that out of your A$$????

2nd: He didnt ask about Tren in the first place, he was asking between Eq and Deca.
3rd: Trens effects last for a short time and frequent shots are necessary.
Since he is new, perhaps he isnt ready to turn his body into a pincushion like us.
4th: Perhaps when he has very dark colored urine, that should be an indication that his tren is real, no need to worry? lol Still not saying its toxic but it does make you wonder why I pee red..

5th: Tren is not a beginner's steroid, it is a very strong androgen and increased aggression is common. I dont think he had to worry about roid rage with his first cycle of 250 of Sust per week. Not sure if you have even ever taken a baby aspirin, but Tren can make you mad as hell and ready to kick everyones a$$.

6th: Maybe he isnt ready for the head-aches, Coughing, higher blood presser, or the nasal bleeding that can happen.

FYI, I'm a big fan of Tren have been for years, but only when the user is ready and prepared for the things that go hand in hand with it's use. Hope this clears things up for you (TheSpectre)

Homer

 

[moralanimal]

test and eq are great no matter how many cycles you have done.

 

[granby140]

id skip the tren for my second cycle and stick with the EQ and test.