dr. dnp
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Can I run Tren E without test. I know I'll get flamed by the test guys but it has more side effects on me then its worth.
Dr. DNP
Dr. DNP
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Anabolic Steroids
Tren and no test
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athlete0185
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well you can technically do whatever you want...but if you want to talk about side effects what about trens side affects? and on top of that having tren dick. i would just run a low dose of test a week in my opinion if you are so against it.
kavika
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I would always run test w any cycle unless you don't plan on using your d*ck for anything for a while bro. You can run either a long or short ester, but please run some test for your girlfriends/wifes sake. kavika
jayce
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I think that Test should be run with any cycle. That being said, there are a few people out there that have run only Tren E and had great gains with no Tren dick. Would you be one of those people? Don't know. I don't want to find out if I am. Way too horny and proud to all of a sudden embarrass myself in front of a babe like that.
Jayce
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gman67
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Well in my case it would be simple,,instead of tren and no test it would be tren and no dick.
Have you ran tren before?? Tren carries way more sides than test. Do yourself a favor and throw some test in there.
Have you ran tren before?? Tren carries way more sides than test. Do yourself a favor and throw some test in there.
graybass
New Member
Cycling a lot of years. IMHO you've got to run some test because of the Tren sides. Alot of this depends on the individual. Some of the real young guys have trouble with Test.
But the young guys should'nt even need the gear!
Flame me! I deserve it!!! Do what you want!!!
But the young guys should'nt even need the gear!
Flame me! I deserve it!!! Do what you want!!!
A lot depends on your age and natural test levels.
Way, way back, when I was a pup and didn't know any better, I frequently used AAS with no Test. Never had a problem with limp dick syndrome, in fact, I was usually even hornier. Of course I got it on with my girlfriend 2-3 times a day, everyday, whether I was on cycle or not. Could hardly find time to go to my college classes. Because sex and the gym came first!
I'm guessing that my natural Test production was high enough that I was off cycle (back then, my cycles were only 6-8 weeks) before any serious suppression took place.
So if you're like that, and are between 19 and 25, you may be able to do an 8 week cycle with no problems. Otherwise, better kick in a little Test.
Also, the benefits of Test are substantial so anti-e's to control bloat and gyno eliminate the primary negative sides associated with Test. Acne can still be a problem but using pro-active and washing with palm olive does a great job for me.
Good luck,
MaxRep
Way, way back, when I was a pup and didn't know any better, I frequently used AAS with no Test. Never had a problem with limp dick syndrome, in fact, I was usually even hornier. Of course I got it on with my girlfriend 2-3 times a day, everyday, whether I was on cycle or not. Could hardly find time to go to my college classes. Because sex and the gym came first!
I'm guessing that my natural Test production was high enough that I was off cycle (back then, my cycles were only 6-8 weeks) before any serious suppression took place.
So if you're like that, and are between 19 and 25, you may be able to do an 8 week cycle with no problems. Otherwise, better kick in a little Test.
Also, the benefits of Test are substantial so anti-e's to control bloat and gyno eliminate the primary negative sides associated with Test. Acne can still be a problem but using pro-active and washing with palm olive does a great job for me.
Good luck,
MaxRep
Max rep used to be a young pup?
J/K buddy
how are you doing today?
J/K buddy
how are you doing today?
Phreezer said:Max rep used to be a young pup?
J/K buddy
how are you doing today?
Doing great my friend, thank you!
I trust you and yours are doing well on this holiday weekend?
Also, I saw your posted question earlier... you're not going back to the dark side are you?
Best to you!
MaxRep
No... I've been tempted to, but I don't think the rewards are worth the risks...so I'll stop now; before I try and talk myself into it.
We've had a pretty good weekend, Did the usual Fireworks bbq and family thing. How about you? do anything I'm going to be jealous of? BTW, how's the new pup doing? Is he fully house broken yet?
We've had a pretty good weekend, Did the usual Fireworks bbq and family thing. How about you? do anything I'm going to be jealous of? BTW, how's the new pup doing? Is he fully house broken yet?
Phreezer said:
We've had the exact same kind of weekend here. However, as a happily married man, how could I... possibly be doing anything YOU would be jealous of?
Thanks for asking about the little guy. He is really coming along well. Just over 3 months old, and growing like crazy. He has a great temperment and is so full of love it's unbelievable. I can be gone for a few hours and he'll greet me like I'm his long lost brother that he hasn't seen in years! He's already house broken and now it's time to start on his obediance training. He seems to pick things up fast so other than him being very strong-willed, I think he'll learn quickly.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
MaxRep
I've added my 2 cents before and gotten no response but I'll try again.
I think it has a lot to do with your goals. I started my cutting cycle
this yr with tes, EQ and Winny. Diet was on, cardio everyday, and I went from 188 pretty hard to 200 (I'm 5'6) and alittle puffy in about 4 weeks (my goal was to get to 176 and compete as a middle weight). So I dropped the test and ran tren, Winny and EQ. Still nothing was happening so I dropped the EQ and just ran my favorite Winny and Tren.
Now I'm 190-192 and around 7% no contest this yr but I learned something. Never had any erectiion problems either and I'm 35. Now I understand deca dick since deca is not an androgen and purely an anabolic aas. I'll try tes again next time (in Fall) and just run it with either winny or tren, maybe it was the EQ.
Here is something I don't understand, tes is an androgen
so is (tren) both increase male characteristics (to include sex drive, aggression, etc) along with muscle growth. Getting an erection is a matter of getting blood into your penis so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. No doubt 500-600 of Tes will increase you sex drive but wouldnt tren do the same?
I think it has a lot to do with your goals. I started my cutting cycle
this yr with tes, EQ and Winny. Diet was on, cardio everyday, and I went from 188 pretty hard to 200 (I'm 5'6) and alittle puffy in about 4 weeks (my goal was to get to 176 and compete as a middle weight). So I dropped the test and ran tren, Winny and EQ. Still nothing was happening so I dropped the EQ and just ran my favorite Winny and Tren.
Now I'm 190-192 and around 7% no contest this yr but I learned something. Never had any erectiion problems either and I'm 35. Now I understand deca dick since deca is not an androgen and purely an anabolic aas. I'll try tes again next time (in Fall) and just run it with either winny or tren, maybe it was the EQ.
Here is something I don't understand, tes is an androgen
so is (tren) both increase male characteristics (to include sex drive, aggression, etc) along with muscle growth. Getting an erection is a matter of getting blood into your penis so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. No doubt 500-600 of Tes will increase you sex drive but wouldnt tren do the same?
"I've added my 2 cents before and gotten no response but I'll try again."
Maybe it had something to do with what you said?
"Now I understand deca dick since deca is not an androgen and purely an anabolic aas. "
Actually that wouldn't be correct.
"Getting an erection is a matter of getting blood into your penis so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. "
I'd estimate another year of study and experience and you'll have all this a little more figured out.
"No doubt 500-600 of Tes will increase you sex drive but wouldnt tren do the same?"
No.
I don't mean to be a smart ass but keep on doing your research. Your questions and statements illustrate a need to get a better understanding of AAS and of the physiological processes involved.
Good luck.
MaxRep
Maybe it had something to do with what you said?
"Now I understand deca dick since deca is not an androgen and purely an anabolic aas. "
Actually that wouldn't be correct.
"Getting an erection is a matter of getting blood into your penis so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. "
I'd estimate another year of study and experience and you'll have all this a little more figured out.
"No doubt 500-600 of Tes will increase you sex drive but wouldnt tren do the same?"
No.
I don't mean to be a smart ass but keep on doing your research. Your questions and statements illustrate a need to get a better understanding of AAS and of the physiological processes involved.
Good luck.
MaxRep
No Disrespect intended
MaxRep said:"I've added my 2 cents before and gotten no response but I'll try again."
Maybe it had something to do with what you said?
"Now I understand deca dick since deca is not an androgen and purely an anabolic aas. "
Actually that wouldn't be correct.
Ok not purlely anabolic but consided an anabolic AAS vs tes. Most of the androgenic side effects were taken out in order for it to be administered to women and children for medical reasons. The point I was making is: I do understand why deca can cause deca dick, but thanks for correcting me!
"Getting an erection is a matter of getting blood into your penis so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. "
I'd estimate another year of study and experience and you'll have all this a little more figured out.
Maybe you should work for the Company that makes Viagra then, because I'm pretty sure that is what it does.
"No doubt 500-600 of Tes will increase you sex drive but wouldnt tren do the same?"
No.
I don't mean to be a smart ass but keep on doing your research. Your questions and statements illustrate a need to get a better understanding of AAS and of the physiological processes involved.
I started my last paragragh with here is something I don't understand,
humble enough I thought.
Maybe you need to relize that steriods work differently for each person. I've read a lot over the years and there has been quite a few who don't use tes in their cycle especially before a contest. Who knows if it's true but I've read Mike Quinn and Lee Preist aren't fans and in both cases went on to explain what worked for them. Not saying tes isn't king just saying that just because someone has a different view/experence don't discount it by saying they need to do more research. I, like many others, come here to learn and just like BB there is more than one thing that works.
rjkimme said:
Your point is well taken, however... Prescription medications such as steroids do have marked and very similar effects in everyone who uses them. They must have similar physiological effects in patients or else they would not be useful as medications, nor could drugs like Testerone be approved by the FDA if results varied more than minimaly from user to user.
A vasodilator works by widening the blood vessels. This drug has this effect on 99.99% of all who take it. The effects do not differ greatly between patients. The same holds true with Testerone. The effects simply do not differ greatly between patients along with Deca and Tren. These also have very similar effects in all who use them. This must hold true or otherwise these medications would prove completely and totaly useless as a treatment.
Do you see what I'm saying? Simple Science and Chemisty prove your above statement is false.
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Rj,
I don't really want to take the time to dissect everything you said but as phreez says, these products generally work very similarly on everyone. There can be minor differences and effective dosages can vary but they're all going to do about the same thing. It's the other things; training, eating and rest that make up the vast majority of differences from one person to another.
A number of little things you said such as:
"purely an anabolic AAS"
" so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. "
show that your research has been minimal. Nobody who's done any research would say things like that.
I didn't mean to offend you and I encourage you to spend some time researching the basic mechanisms by which AAS work and their various side effects.
Good luck,
MaxRep
I don't really want to take the time to dissect everything you said but as phreez says, these products generally work very similarly on everyone. There can be minor differences and effective dosages can vary but they're all going to do about the same thing. It's the other things; training, eating and rest that make up the vast majority of differences from one person to another.
A number of little things you said such as:
"purely an anabolic AAS"
" so if you have a good sex drive naturally then you should be good to go. "
show that your research has been minimal. Nobody who's done any research would say things like that.
I didn't mean to offend you and I encourage you to spend some time researching the basic mechanisms by which AAS work and their various side effects.
Good luck,
MaxRep
I read on another board a thread by a guy who did tren solo and got suicidal. Everyone there thought this was because of its effects on his hormone levels. He had end the cycle early and start some PCT. Normally, they would have called him a huge dumbass, but since he may have been serious, they waited until he felt better.
Orpheus said:
"tren solo and got suicidal" thats my point AAS do effect people
differently. Another good example is some people get very aggressive and other feel very calm when on a cycle. Still other take alot of gear train thier ass off and other take just small amounts with great results. I'm not pretending to know as much as MaxRep and the rest of you guys but I do feel as though a person genetics have alot to do with.
A good point is , "Prescription medications such as steroids do have marked and very similar effects in everyone who uses them. They must have similar physiological effects in patients or else they would not be useful as medications, nor could drugs like Testerone be approved by the FDA if results varied more than minimaly from user to user."
I'm sure the result of someone who is sick and in the hospitol the results are simular but in the gym result very considerably. Beside that, different steriod are administers for different reasons. Example
is you wouldn't give Deca to a man over 50 with low tes, nor would
you give tes to a young child with bad burns (I read deca is used for this alot).
As far as tren solo (I wouldn't do myself) here is a quote from this website, " Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly." I didn't write it just doing research
wow... you really don't know what you're talking about at all... you base your entire argument on nothing more than speculation....
You can lead a horse to water but.......
You can lead a horse to water but.......
