TRT Bloods

[rugerjitsu]

I was surprised to see my numbers from recent bloodwork. I've been injecting approx. 150mg/wk of Test E (UGL) for the past couple months. I inject Sunday morning, and had blood pulled Friday morning...wanting to get an idea of what my trough levels were. At 150mg/wk, I was expecting mid to high-normal numbers....nope.

Testosterone - 221 (last May I pulled a 477 after being off for 3 months!)
LH/FSH - 0.1/0.2 (last May I pulled 4.9/1.6)
Estradiol - 13.5 (last May I pulled 25.9)

I don't feel off, but these numbers are disappointing...no?

Hemoglobin - 18.9 high
Hematocrit - 53.6 high

My Hemo/Hema are typically in normal range, so that tells me maybe I'm dealing with some underdosed Test...is my logic sound?

 

[Sk8man101]

What was the lab?
Isn't 5 days a little long to wait to get bloods for test.

Edit: Before you dismiss this lab I would do another set of bloods at like 48 hours.

 

[rugerjitsu]

What was the lab?
Isn't 5 days a little long to wait to get bloods for test.

Edit: Before you dismiss this lab I would do another set of bloods at like 48 hours.

I waited 5 days for a reason...I'm self TRT'ing, so in order to get my dosing right, i wanted an idea of what my levels were outside of the peak.

On another note, I'll be donating blood next week...they want to do double red since i'm 0+. Does anyone have evidence that double red's lower Hemo/Hema any more significantly than just a whole blood donation??

 

[Sk8man101]

I waited 5 days for a reason...I'm self TRT'ing, so in order to get my dosing right, i wanted an idea of what my levels were outside of the peak.

On another note, I'll be donating blood next week...they want to do double red since i'm 0+. Does anyone have evidence that double red's lower Hemo/Hema any more significantly than just a whole blood donation??

I understand that, but for example your natural test when you were natty fluctuated too. So when/if you got natty bloods and you were in the 500s that was fasting and first thing in the morning, now after you jack off and go to work and do all your shit that day your levels might be MUCH lower.

Get bloods done this time sooner, and then compare them to your ones you just took then you'd know how you levels are threw out the week.
At 150mg 5 days later I don't think those numbers are to terribly bad.
By that time (5 full days) you only have maybe 75mg of the 150mg left in your system(plus like 25ish from the week before) that gives you a total of 100mg.
221 isn't that bad man.

 

[Sk8man101]

I don't trt bro so sorry for thinking out loud in your thread.
Just bouncing ideas off you is all, obviously your gear has at least somthing in it so maybe just up it accordingly till you kill off this batch of gear?

 

[CuriousGeorge247]

If the are taking more red blood cells than they would with whole blood, it will definitely lower your hematocrit. Be sure to be hydrated and you may need to check your iron out as well to make sure you dont become anemic eventually if you plan on donating regularly. Usually rbc and hematocrit will go up on test.

Your total test numbers look low to me...have you ever run trt before with other labs to compare. Do you have alternative test from another uglab to run for 2 months to then test again? Experience any sides from the test you are running? Have you experienced any previous sides from other test?

 

[rugerjitsu]

If the are taking more red blood cells than they would with whole blood, it will definitely lower your hematocrit. Be sure to be hydrated and you may need to check your iron out as well to make sure you dont become anemic eventually if you plan on donating regularly. Usually rbc and hematocrit will go up on test.

Your total test numbers look low to me...have you ever run trt before with other labs to compare. Do you have alternative test from another uglab to run for 2 months to then test again? Experience any sides from the test you are running? Have you experienced any previous sides from other test?

that's what i was thinking about the double red donation...i'll definitely be hydrated and anything else i can do to thin my blood out a little. Last time i donated it took forever cause my blood was so damn thick!

i thought the test numbers looked low as well...never had labs done while i've run trt dosages, so nothing to compare, other than my natty levels.

 

[CuriousGeorge247]

On 200mg a week of watson test cyp I was at 1580 two months in. I would think on 150mg a week you would be in the 800-1100 rang maybe? Depending on how well you react to test of course. I inject 2x a week. And I draw labs usually when im due for my second shot of the week.

Right now I've lowered my dose to 160mg a week per doctor. I do labs again next week to see where im at. Im betting I'll be around 1100-1300 range.

My reaction to test is 7.9x weekly dose. Based off of initial labs.

 

[CuriousGeorge247]

When i tested first time it was 3 days from my last injection of 100mg. Second dose of the week was due same day labs were taken.

Labs in the morning fasting. TRT 100mg 2nd dose same day but at night, after labs had been done.

 

[Deepwaters1987]

I'm 630-660 total t on 150mg a week pharma 8 days post injection. Never had labs to know what I peak at on that dose.

 

[Sk8man101]

Damn Yall are pulling good numbers on a trt dose.
Disregard my first two post op, hit up your source and tell them they fucked you.
Or put them on blast and let us know who the source is, meso will take care of the rest.

 

[rugerjitsu]

What do you guys think? Should I have bloods pulled one more time before going to my source? If i were to pull bloods again, should i do the same time frame or earlier after my last injection?

I'm leaning towards getting bloods done the following Friday, just like before, since we're talking about a TRT dose. If my numbers are still in the 200 range, then I can't help but think the gear is underdosed. I have bloods from last May, off gear for 12+ weeks, with my test levels in the 477.

@Docd187123, mind giving me your opinion here?

 

[no_name]

It seems low to me, I just did labs last wk, 150mg testC per week has me at 750 - 6 days after injection.
When I was on 100mg per wk I was at 360 - 7 days after injection.
I would try a different source, run it for 7 weeks minimum and re test.

 

[legendary]

On 200mg a week of watson test cyp I was at 1580 two months in. I would think on 150mg a week you would be in the 800-1100 rang maybe? Depending on how well you react to test of course. I inject 2x a week. And I draw labs usually when im due for my second shot of the week.

Right now I've lowered my dose to 160mg a week per doctor. I do labs again next week to see where im at. Im betting I'll be around 1100-1300 range.

My reaction to test is 7.9x weekly dose. Based off of initial labs.

Don't go by this comment. I come in between 600-800 on 200mg week Watson.

 

[CuriousGeorge247]

Im just trying to show that people react differently.

How you react, how he reacts and how I react just gives you an idea that its not all the same. His reaction seems rather low to the test he ran?

Ill be happy to share my labs from next week after I get my results of how I react on 160mg of watson test cyp a week.

 

[Docd187123]

What do you guys think? Should I have bloods pulled one more time before going to my source? If i were to pull bloods again, should i do the same time frame or earlier after my last injection?

I'm leaning towards getting bloods done the following Friday, just like before, since we're talking about a TRT dose. If my numbers are still in the 200 range, then I can't help but think the gear is underdosed. I have bloods from last May, off gear for 12+ weeks, with my test levels in the 477.

@Docd187123, mind giving me your opinion here?

Me personally, I would test once more about 48hrs post injection. It's good to know your trough levels if you're doing for TRT purposes but since it's UGL gear you have to question the gear at the very least (it's not pharma obviously). It's hard to gauge what trough levels should be. I vaguely remember a study where 200mg TE was injected and about 10days or so and the patients were hypogonadal again. You went 5days and you're hypo.

Test again at 48hrs and with a 150mg dose I would expect to see levels right around te upper reference range to slightly over.

 

[rugerjitsu]

Me personally, I would test once more about 48hrs post injection. It's good to know your trough levels if you're doing for TRT purposes but since it's UGL gear you have to question the gear at the very least (it's not pharma obviously). It's hard to gauge what trough levels should be. I vaguely remember a study where 200mg TE was injected and about 10days or so and the patients were hypogonadal again. You went 5days and you're hypo.

Test again at 48hrs and with a 150mg dose I would expect to see levels right around te upper reference range to slightly over.

I'll do that. Hopefully i can get this done next week, and report back afterwards.

 

[napaulm]

that number is really low. too low.
i do 150 a week with 6.2x pin sun test thurs and im at 930 and that's underdosed test.
you aint even at yr trough day, yr 2 days b4. that would be sunday am b4 yr shot.
what u should do is test 48 hours then also the morning b4 u pin. that will show if ur test is shit, or u metabolize extremely fast.

 

[rugerjitsu]

for those interested, here's my plan...

I'm donating double red blood cells next week, and having bloods pulled the following week, approximately 48 hours after my 150mg injection on Sunday.

Should be interesting to see two things...#1 - test levels 48hrs vs. 5 days and #2 - any significant reduction in my Hematocrit levels.

 

[strongsafety41]

I have to agree, that TT trough would be very low for me. I've had my trough (100mg per wk) checked consistently at 7 days post pin and never seen anything that low.

I'll dig up so old labs when I get home.