TRT or Coming Off advice needed

[permission to land]

Hi

I’ve blasted and cruised for 5 years. Nothing major but enough. In between I will do 80mg TRT.

I came off two years ago age 35 and after six months and a basic 4 week PCT, I recovered to 10nmol. I had zero sides mental wise and felt absolutely fine. I kept training and eating well, but my sex drive tanked. After six months and only 4 nmol less test than I had naturally age 30 (16 nmol), the sex drive issue was affecting my relationship so I hopped back on self administered TRT.

Now age 37 I have two choices. Switch to ledger TRT to dial in my dose and do things properly for the rest of my life or do a super PCT.

Ideally I could come off, recover and have a normal sex drive and enough natural test to be able to put on some muscle without the aid of TRT. Then switch to TRT when I absolutely need it. Whenever that may be.

My main concerns re coming off are…

- We want kids, most likely in two years and I’m not sure how this will affect things.

- I am worried about my sex drive

- I’m worried il come off and lose the muscle I do have and not be able to put any more on.

- I will switch to TRT eventually anyway once it’s “truly” needed.


My main concerns re ledger TRT are…

- Scared of it affecting my long term health and cutting my life short. Heart attacks etc. I’ve read various conflicting reports re the risks of TRT

- Unsure how having kids will be affected.

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It’s a difficult choice as I want to have a long healthy life, with the option to have children, but at the same time, I don’t want to affect my sex drive and lose the ability to be able to have a moderate amount of muscle mass. I like the aesthetic look, so don’t need tonnes of muscle.

I appreciate their is lots of banter and rightly deserved abuse for idiots doing idiotic things, and I probably fall into that category based on my abuse of steroids, but If anyone has any advice or can help based on previous experience, please let me know? It would be greatly appreciated as this is driving my mad and I need to make a choice



(This was my PCT when I came off two years ago. I was hoping I could do something different to try and recover properly. I’ve seen people do recovery PCT for 6-8 weeks with high doses of HCG.


1000iu once weekly of HCG for 4 week.

Clomid: 50/50/50/50

Nolva: 20/20/20/20)

Vit D 5000iu ED

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[Spideog]

Hi

I’ve blasted and cruised for 5 years. Nothing major but enough. In between I will do 80mg TRT.

I came off two years ago age 35 and after six months and a basic 4 week PCT, I recovered to 10nmol. I had zero sides mental wise and felt absolutely fine. I kept training and eating well, but my sex drive tanked. After six months and only 4 nmol less test than I had naturally age 30 (16 nmol), the sex drive issue was affecting my relationship so I hopped back on self administered TRT.

Now age 37 I have two choices. Switch to ledger TRT to dial in my dose and do things properly for the rest of my life or do a super PCT.

Ideally I could come off, recover and have a normal sex drive and enough natural test to be able to put on some muscle without the aid of TRT. Then switch to TRT when I absolutely need it. Whenever that may be.

My main concerns re coming off are…

- We want kids, most likely in two years and I’m not sure how this will affect things.

- I am worried about my sex drive

- I’m worried il come off and lose the muscle I do have and not be able to put any more on.

- I will switch to TRT eventually anyway once it’s “truly” needed.


My main concerns re ledger TRT are…

- Scared of it affecting my long term health and cutting my life short. Heart attacks etc. I’ve read various conflicting reports re the risks of TRT

- Unsure how having kids will be affected.

-
-


It’s a difficult choice as I want to have a long healthy life, with the option to have children, but at the same time, I don’t want to affect my sex drive and lose the ability to be able to have a moderate amount of muscle mass. I like the aesthetic look, so don’t need tonnes of muscle.

I appreciate their is lots of banter and rightly deserved abuse for idiots doing idiotic things, and I probably fall into that category based on my abuse of steroids, but If anyone has any advice or can help based on previous experience, please let me know? It would be greatly appreciated as this is driving my mad and I need to make a choice



(This was my PCT when I came off two years ago. I was hoping I could do something different to try and recover properly. I’ve seen people do recovery PCT for 6-8 weeks with high doses of HCG.


1000iu once weekly of HCG for 4 week.

Clomid: 50/50/50/50

Nolva: 20/20/20/20)

Vit D 5000iu ED

See less

This is my two cents on it because I’m in the same boat.

A.) PCT, go through 6 weeks of hell with no guarantee of rebounding test levels.

B.)Just stay on 100-150mg of test and have the option of blasting whenever you want too. The steroids make me age so I drastically dropped the dosages/cycle length anyways. Also my semen volume went down loads, I made a thread about it.

This is just my advice, although my levels are better on 125mg then they ever were naturally. I just feel healthier. They throw so much crap and chemicals in food these days anyways that it messed with peoples natural T big time.

I have way too much going on in my life at the minute I am not in the slightest mood to do a PCT. Only issue that ever bothered me was the semen volume.

 

[permission to land]

This is my two cents on it because I’m in the same boat.

A.) PCT, go through 6 weeks of hell with no guarantee of rebounding test levels.

B.)Just stay on 100-150mg of test and have the option of blasting whenever you want too. The steroids make me age so I drastically dropped the dosages/cycle length anyways. Also my semen volume went down loads, I made a thread about it.

This is just my advice, although my levels are better on 125mg then they ever were naturally. I just feel healthier. They throw so much crap and chemicals in food these days anyways that it messed with peoples natural T big time.

I have way too much going on in my life at the minute I am not in the slightest mood to do a PCT. Only issue that ever bothered me was the semen volume.

Thanks mate. 150mg is very high for TRT. What NMOL does this put you at?

I’ve been aiming for 20, which is 4 more than I was naturally at 30. No need to go higher I don’t think.

 

[Spideog]

Thanks mate. 150mg is very high for TRT. What NMOL does this put you at?

I’ve been aiming for 20, which is 4 more than I was naturally at 30. No need to go higher I don’t think.

It is. No idea what metrics I used but 150mg put me at 820 and 125mg puts me around 600. 600-1000 is normal range.

 

[DarkStalker]

Add hcg to counter low semen volume and bring back testis online.

 

[Spideog]

Add hcg to counter low semen volume and bring back testis online.

I hate using it because E2 is annoying to control on it. Even 500IU split twice weekly causes water retention.

I suppose that’s the thing with AAS. There’s always a catch when using exogenous hormones. Just gotta accept and move on.

Someone told me before that semen is produced in the prostate and that sperm is made in the testicles. Not sure if testicular shrinkage itself would be the culprit for low semen volume. I miss spraying my partners with loads.

 

[permission to land]

It is. No idea what metrics I used but 150mg put me at 820 and 125mg puts me around 600. 600-1000 is normal range.

I’d be going for the lowest dose that gets you at 600. Why push it more? Long term, the lower dose will be healthier.

 

[ripper908]

If you want kids get off sooner than later and hope your sex drive comes back. My sperm came back after 4 months (after 8 years blast and cruise) and tbh I never lost any sex drive. Have always been a horny mofo lol obviously more so on gear but "natural" i have no issues either

 

[Spideog]

I’d be going for the lowest dose that gets you at 600. Why push it more? Long term, the lower dose will be healthier.

Unless you’re absolutely huge I don’t think you need to go overkill with the cruise. People do respond differently though. I don’t aromatise on test until 500mg, others aromatise on as little as 150mg. It’s hard to tell sometimes. Personally on my first cruise I felt 200mg was overkill and still felt “on” if that makes sense.

I lost hair on my first test cycle too. Some people never lose hair. I’m only 25 and it’s fairly premature but you can’t change the past.

 

[Spideog]

If you want kids get off sooner than later and hope your sex drive comes back. My sperm came back after 4 months (after 8 years blast and cruise) and tbh I never lost any sex drive. Have always been a horny mofo lol obviously more so on gear but "natural" i have no issues either

Only thing that caused any erection issues for me was high e2. Could still get the job done but took forever to finish and erections were softer. It’s like the skin around my penis itself had water retention it’s hard to explain.

 

[phenominal34]

Unless you’re absolutely huge I don’t think you need to go overkill with the cruise. People do respond differently though. I don’t aromatise on test until 500mg, others aromatise on as little as 150mg. It’s hard to tell sometimes. Personally on my first cruise I felt 200mg was overkill and still felt “on” if that makes sense.

I lost hair on my first test cycle too. Some people never lose hair. I’m only 25 and it’s fairly premature but you can’t change the past.

What exactly do you mean you don’t aromatise untill 500mgs of test ?

You don’t need an AI till that dose or ??

 

[permission to land]

If you want kids get off sooner than later and hope your sex drive comes back. My sperm came back after 4 months (after 8 years blast and cruise) and tbh I never lost any sex drive. Have always been a horny mofo lol obviously more so on gear but "natural" i have no issues either

That’s amazing. Mind if I ask some question?


How long have you been off for now?

What PCT did you use?

Whats your test levels recovered to after 6 months.

 

[ripper908]

That’s amazing. Mind if I ask some question?


How long have you been off for now?

What PCT did you use?

Whats your test levels recovered to after 6 months.

Been off 3 years now

Had pct on hand never used it. I told my dr I was taking 250mg of test a week and he suggested tapering it down by 50 mg a week until I was completely clean than he sent me for blood work 10 weeks later

I don't remember my exact level but I was in what a dr would consider the "normal" range so I wasn't a candidate for trt. And to be honest I feel fine and don't see a need for it at the moment

People at the gym ask me if I'm still taking gear cause I haven't lost that much size. Starting to think I should have cycled the entire time instead of blast and cruise but it's hard to say. I think the most important thing when coming off is keeping a positive mindset and keep training/diet 100%

 

[Spideog]

What exactly do you mean you don’t aromatise untill 500mgs of test ?

You don’t need an AI till that dose or ??

E2 doesn’t become an issue until then no

 

[Malik kalem]

Been off 3 years now

Had pct on hand never used it. I told my dr I was taking 250mg of test a week and he suggested tapering it down by 50 mg a week until I was completely clean than he sent me for blood work 10 weeks later

I don't remember my exact level but I was in what a dr would consider the "normal" range so I wasn't a candidate for trt. And to be honest I feel fine and don't see a need for it at the moment

People at the gym ask me if I'm still taking gear cause I haven't lost that much size. Starting to think I should have cycled the entire time instead of blast and cruise but it's hard to say. I think the most important thing when coming off is keeping a positive mindset and keep training/diet 100%

That’s actually impressive! So basically taper down to 50mg a week and then come off completely without pct ?

 

[ripper908]

That’s actually impressive! So basically taper down to 50mg a week and then come off completely without pct ?

yep thats what I did. Didnt feel bad at all

kept my training up and started eating a little more protein and barely lost any size at all from my cruise dose

sex drive went down a bit but that was to be expected

 

[Sector]

yep thats what I did. Didnt feel bad at all

kept my training up and started eating a little more protein and barely lost any size at all from my cruise dose

sex drive went down a bit but that was to be expected

You're lucky man! You must be like a hyper individual responder if you blasted and cruised that long then came off cold turkey and recovered.

I blasted and cruised for 4 years, ran a wicked heavy pct, and didn't have much luck in terms of recovery. I mean initially my test levels came back to 500 something ng/dl, but then rapidly crashed again within a few years

 

[ripper908]

You're lucky man! You must be like a hyper individual responder if you blasted and cruised that long then came off cold turkey and recovered.

I blasted and cruised for 4 years, ran a wicked heavy pct, and didn't have much luck in terms of recovery. I mean initially my test levels came back to 500 something ng/dl, but then rapidly crashed again within a few years

Well in all fairness my last 3 years on were just cruising so maybe that helped my system out a bit. I imagine a big blast and coming off cold turkey would have been a different situation