Upcoming cycle, EQ, Test, Mast, Deca

[Kendallb183]

I have been doing a lot of research. I've cycled LGD 2x, test 500mg week 1x, test 500 mg week EQ 500 mg week 1x, and then Test cycle again.

I've PCT'd previously and don't like how much I lose on PCT and the whole process of PCT and what it does to me. I have opted to blast and cruise.

I was researching on reddit's /steroid subreddit and saw example cycles. They recommend as a step up from test/eq bulk to do a deca bulk. They recommend EQ and mast for Anti-estrogen properties and also run AI aromasin @ 12.5 e3.5d. I have d-bol on hand in case of E2 crash. I aromatize easily, the 500 wk of test gives me moon face, bloating, water retention pretty high so AI was needed on that cycle. I think the EQ, Nand, and AI should counteract my particular sensitivity to aromatization?

I was looking at running each weekly, 600 mg eq, 500 mg test c, 250mg deca, 500 nanadrol.

I have propranalol on hand for high BP if it arises
I am taking TUDCA just to protect my liver incase I run a DBol kickstarter
I have acutane for acne
will do bloodwork 8-10 weeks to check in on how everything is going.

My TDEE is 2500 Kcals, I expect to eat around 2900 KCals, 127 grams (g) of fat 374 g of carbohydrates 150 g of protein

how does it sound?

 

[MrGTO]

You know npp & deca are basically the same right?

 

[MrGTO]

You need more protein.

 

[Driada Medical]

I have been doing a lot of research. I've cycled LGD 2x, test 500mg week 1x, test 500 mg week EQ 500 mg week 1x, and then Test cycle again.

I've PCT'd previously and don't like how much I lose on PCT and the whole process of PCT and what it does to me. I have opted to blast and cruise.

I was researching on reddit's /steroid subreddit and saw example cycles. They recommend as a step up from test/eq bulk to do a deca bulk. They recommend EQ and mast for Anti-estrogen properties and also run AI aromasin @ 12.5 e3.5d. I have d-bol on hand in case of E2 crash. I aromatize easily, the 500 wk of test gives me moon face, bloating, water retention pretty high so AI was needed on that cycle. I think the EQ, Nand, and AI should counteract my particular sensitivity to aromatization?

I was looking at running each weekly, 600 mg eq, 500 mg test c, 250mg deca, 500 nanadrol.

I have propranalol on hand for high BP if it arises
I am taking TUDCA just to protect my liver incase I run a DBol kickstarter
I have acutane for acne
will do bloodwork 8-10 weeks to check in on how everything is going.

My TDEE is 2500 Kcals, I expect to eat around 2900 KCals, 127 grams (g) of fat 374 g of carbohydrates 150 g of protein

how does it sound?

Good afternoon friend.

From the very beginning, it's probably worth writing - what is your goal for using steroids. Each drug should be used for a specific purpose, but you have not indicated exactly what effect you want to achieve.

Let's start with the losses you're talking about PCT. Recovery and the training process during the PCT itself is not a simple topic and you need to delve into it in more detail to understand what you were doing wrong. It is also necessary to understand that the loss of muscle mass and strength is inevitable in this phase. A well-designed PCT (medications and supplements) together with supportive workouts and caloric intake will be able to minimize the rollback effect, but this is not a task as simple as gaining muscle mass. This requires a separate conversation.

As for dosages and selection of drugs - these are very individual things that are determined only by personal experience. To begin with, you should at least indicate your weight, height, body fat percentage and training experience. It would be nice if you threw off a photo of your uniform. Based on these parameters, we could say something about your dosages and calorie intake. As noted above, the comrade assumes that 2900 k / cal is too little, unless of course your weight is not 60 kg.

 

[MrGTO]

Good afternoon friend.

From the very beginning, it's probably worth writing - what is your goal for using steroids. Each drug should be used for a specific purpose, but you have not indicated exactly what effect you want to achieve.

Let's start with the losses you're talking about PCT. Recovery and the training process during the PCT itself is not a simple topic and you need to delve into it in more detail to understand what you were doing wrong. It is also necessary to understand that the loss of muscle mass and strength is inevitable in this phase. A well-designed PCT (medications and supplements) together with supportive workouts and caloric intake will be able to minimize the rollback effect, but this is not a task as simple as gaining muscle mass. This requires a separate conversation.

As for dosages and selection of drugs - these are very individual things that are determined only by personal experience. To begin with, you should at least indicate your weight, height, body fat percentage and training experience. It would be nice if you threw off a photo of your uniform. Based on these parameters, we could say something about your dosages and calorie intake. As noted above, the comrade assumes that 2900 k / cal is too little, unless of course your weight is not 60 kg.

The 2900kcal is fine. I am saying the protein % is too little based on the calories. I am 210lbs. I eat around 3k calories to grow and my protein intake is around 325g. 150g of protein is under a caloric intake of a 2k diet if your goal is to build muscle. I would just get fat with that many carbs he has listed. I do a standard 45%P 35%C 20%F diet. I got those %s from John Meadows so i think they are pretty good starting point.

 

[jJjburton]

The 2900kcal is fine. I am saying the protein % is too little based on the calories. I am 210lbs. I eat around 3k calories to grow and my protein intake is around 325g. 150g of protein is under a caloric intake of a 2k diet if your goal is to build muscle. I would just get fat with that many carbs he has listed. I do a standard 45%P 35%C 20%F diet. I got those %s from John Meadows so i think they are pretty good starting point.

Nice my ratios were that from naturally figuring it out. Good to know on the right track

 

[jJjburton]

The 2900kcal is fine. I am saying the protein % is too little based on the calories. I am 210lbs. I eat around 3k calories to grow and my protein intake is around 325g. 150g of protein is under a caloric intake of a 2k diet if your goal is to build muscle. I would just get fat with that many carbs he has listed. I do a standard 45%P 35%C 20%F diet. I got those %s from John Meadows so i think they are pretty good starting point.

I am eating 4300 cals same ratios, did gain 5 lbs, but aince starting my job lost thise lbs from being mor active. Dammit!

 

[MrGTO]

I am eating 4300 cals same ratios, did gain 5 lbs, but aince starting my job lost thise lbs from being mor active. Dammit!

I guess you need to eat more!

 

[MrGTO]

Nice my ratios were that from naturally figuring it out. Good to know on the right track

I found his YouTube channel a long time ago and have really tried to implement most of his advice in my training. It has been working pretty well for me so far. I am no bodybuilder yet but @ 43 and letting myself go for years i am very happy with where i am at 7 months after starting back lifting and i am in it for the long haul this time. It has been an awakening for me ive needed for years.

 

[jJjburton]

I guess you need to eat more!

Ugh, i know! I really dislike eating, i could easily cut all the time, i can go a day without eating no problem, but eating all day is always frusterating, as i am freaking full!

 

[MrGTO]

Ugh, i know! I really dislike eating, i could easily cut all the time, i can go a day without eating no problem, but eating all day is always frusterating, as i am freaking full!

I cant imagine eating that much YET. Im eating 3k and its brutal…I eat very clean so its hard to get it all in. I hate junk food so its alot of chicken, lean ground turkey, fish and buffalo.

 

[Habib]

Didn't realise EQ had AI properties

 

[Kendallb183]

The 2900kcal is fine. I am saying the protein % is too little based on the calories. I am 210lbs. I eat around 3k calories to grow and my protein intake is around 325g. 150g of protein is under a caloric intake of a 2k diet if your goal is to build muscle. I would just get fat with that many carbs he has listed. I do a standard 45%P 35%C 20%F diet. I got those %s from John Meadows so i think they are pretty good starting point.

I have upped my protien macro to nearly 295g protien

 

[Kendallb183]

Good afternoon friend.

From the very beginning, it's probably worth writing - what is your goal for using steroids. Each drug should be used for a specific purpose, but you have not indicated exactly what effect you want to achieve.

Let's start with the losses you're talking about PCT. Recovery and the training process during the PCT itself is not a simple topic and you need to delve into it in more detail to understand what you were doing wrong. It is also necessary to understand that the loss of muscle mass and strength is inevitable in this phase. A well-designed PCT (medications and supplements) together with supportive workouts and caloric intake will be able to minimize the rollback effect, but this is not a task as simple as gaining muscle mass. This requires a separate conversation.

As for dosages and selection of drugs - these are very individual things that are determined only by personal experience. To begin with, you should at least indicate your weight, height, body fat percentage and training experience. It would be nice if you threw off a photo of your uniform. Based on these parameters, we could say something about your dosages and calorie intake. As noted above, the comrade assumes that 2900 k / cal is too little, unless of course your weight is not 60 kg.

My goal is to put on a serious amount of muscle, and then cruise followed by a ten test blast to cut.

I'm all about the asthetic. I'd like a thor look to me. I'm 5'10, 190 lb. Around 12% bf. I have a 4 pack of abs if that helps.

Honestly I could eat a FUCK load more, my appetite is ravenous but I'm going to bed only have eaten my kcal goal and macros. I don't want a lot of sloppy weight I have to cut off. But I'd rather gain some fat than think I left gains on the table.

It feels like this Bulk would just bee too many compounds at once. I have thought more about a 750 test. 750 eq, 500 deca. Test for 26 weeks, deca eq for 20.

 

[MrGTO]

My goal is to put on a serious amount of muscle, and then cruise followed by a ten test blast to cut.

I'm all about the asthetic. I'd like a thor look to me. I'm 5'10, 190 lb. Around 12% bf. I have a 4 pack of abs if that helps.

Honestly I could eat a FUCK load more, my appetite is ravenous but I'm going to bed only have eaten my kcal goal and macros. I don't want a lot of sloppy weight I have to cut off. But I'd rather gain some fat than think I left gains on the table.

It feels like this Bulk would just bee too many compounds at once. I have thought more about a 750 test. 750 eq, 500 deca. Test for 26 weeks, deca eq for 20.

You could start with high calories and gradually cut back during your cycle to a slight deficit

 

[taco33150]

Didn't realise EQ had AI properties

No it doesn’t.. he got his answers on Reddit.. that’s says enough

 

[effswithtren]

No it doesn’t.. he got his answers on Reddit.. that’s says enough

Just got bloodwork back from 750 test 750 EQ (no AI’s) and my ultrasensitive E2 was 14. For reference 750 test w/ 12.5 asin ED had my E2 in the 40’s. Dunno man. Seems to lower it for me.

 

[theotherguy]

Just got bloodwork back from 750 test 750 EQ (no AI’s) and my ultrasensitive E2 was 14. For reference 750 test w/ 12.5 asin ED had my E2 in the 40’s. Dunno man. Seems to lower it for me.

Do you have a baseline for how much you aromatize at 750 test or even 500 test without EQ?

 

[effswithtren]

Do you have a baseline for how much you aromatize at 750 test or even 500 test without EQ?

Not straight test w/ no AI/EQ. Only that @ 750 test even with 12.5 asin every day it’s in the 40’s. @ 750 test, no asin, but with 750 EQ it’s 14.

It definitely lowered it for me. I’m about to get more bloods, this time w/ eq:test dosed @ 3:4. I’m betting that gets my e2 right about in the middle of reference range. Primo does it for me too but not as strongly. I need about 3:2 primo to get the same results.

But some people report different rates of AI effect, or no AI effect, so your mileage may vary I guess.

 

[theotherguy]

Not straight test w/ no AI/EQ. Only that @ 750 test even with 12.5 asin every day it’s in the 40’s. @ 750 test, no asin, but with 750 EQ it’s 14.

It definitely lowered it for me. I’m about to get more bloods, this time w/ eq:test dosed @ 3:4. I’m betting that gets my e2 right about in the middle of reference range. Primo does it for me too but not as strongly. I need about 3:2 primo to get the same results.

But some people report different rates of AI effect, or no AI effect, so your mileage may vary I guess.

Good info, I have been led to believe that EQ does have an AI like effect, but I don’t think it worked for me. I think it’s very individually dependent. I can run deca and tren with little issue though, so I’m ok with not getting an AI effect from EQ and SERM effect from mast