very heavy partial reps.....

[MANWHORE]

Does anyone think these are bad for joints. Power factor says they're now. I used to use them every now and then and i would like to continue using them. I'm talking about very very heavy. Mentzer says he damaged some disks in his spine from doing these. What do you think?

 

[Freddy]

Does anyone think these are bad for joints. Power factor says they're now. I used to use them every now and then and i would like to continue using them. I'm talking about very very heavy. Mentzer says he damaged some disks in his spine from doing these. What do you think?

These have their place in powerlifting and strongman training. Powerlifters use them to work the top end of their bench, and strongmen train the partial deadlift for the 18" event in competition.

For bodybuilding, you're better off using the peak contraction, full ROM lift.

Are they dangerous? Definitely more so then normal full ROM lifts, but I've used them a lot without incident. You just have to be smart. I still prefer full ROM stuff, you want want to work top end, I prefer to use accomodating resistance.

 

[Juggernauttx]

Does anyone think these are bad for joints. Power factor says they're now. I used to use them every now and then and i would like to continue using them. I'm talking about very very heavy. Mentzer says he damaged some disks in his spine from doing these. What do you think?

Yes, they place alot more stress on the connective tissues and joints, because the weight is alot more. Look at it this way, John Little and Pete Sisco, the creator of powerfactor, if they say that it is dangerous, and powerfactor is nothing but partials and training infrequently, if someone once recommended doing partials all the time, and now they say it is dangerous, they must know from experience that it is. They probably had alot of trainees with power factor that got injured. So, even though I dont agree with alot of their training methods, take their advice about the partials, because they probably experienced alot of empirical evidence on it.

But, if you still want to do partials, no matter what the injury risk is, I would recommend, do some full range reps, before you do the partials. For example. Take a 5rm weight. Do 4 reps, and to keep the tension still on the muscle, start doing the partial reps. This way you still maintain strength along the entire range of motion.

But if you just want to do partials on the squat with 600lbs, instead of doing full squats with 400. I would get alot more growth stimulus doing the full squats, than I ever would doing the partials with alot more weight. Plus, the injury risk is severely increased with the heavier weight. The only time I think heavy partials are necessary, is when you have to psychologically get over a weight, and you use a heavier weight than normal to make it seem light. Also they are used to overload a particular muscle in a compound movement. Like rack deads, to overload the back. Rack benches, to overload the triceps.

Anyways, good luck, and hope you stay injury free.

 

[MANWHORE]

Yes, they place alot more stress on the connective tissues and joints, because the weight is alot more. Look at it this way, John Little and Pete Sisco, the creator of powerfactor, if they say that it is dangerous, and powerfactor is nothing but partials and training infrequently, if someone once recommended doing partials all the time, and now they say it is dangerous, they must know from experience that it is. They probably had alot of trainees with power factor that got injured. So, even though I dont agree with alot of their training methods, take their advice about the partials, because they probably experienced alot of empirical evidence on it.

But, if you still want to do partials, no matter what the injury risk is, I would recommend, do some full range reps, before you do the partials. For example. Take a 5rm weight. Do 4 reps, and to keep the tension still on the muscle, start doing the partial reps. This way you still maintain strength along the entire range of motion.

But if you just want to do partials on the squat with 600lbs, instead of doing full squats with 400. I would get alot more growth stimulus doing the full squats, than I ever would doing the partials with alot more weight. Plus, the injury risk is severely increased with the heavier weight. The only time I think heavy partials are necessary, is when you have to psychologically get over a weight, and you use a heavier weight than normal to make it seem light. Also they are used to overload a particular muscle in a compound movement. Like rack deads, to overload the back. Rack benches, to overload the triceps.

Anyways, good luck, and hope you stay injury free.

They always helped in my strength alot which was good for full range reps. I didn't know Sisco and Little said they were dangerous. I was still getting email from Sisco's website up until a few months ago and i am almost possitive i saw that he was still training people with partials. Maybe i'm wrong..... I'm basically going to train with many sets and just about every rep and weight plan i can think of. I'm going to train like a madman. I'm going to start with 3 days/week and may go to 5 days/week depending on how i feel. When i feel i need more rest,i will back off a day or 2 or more if i need it. I just bought a few bags of frozen vegetables that i will cook with some chicken and make myself a few bags for the road(work)every day. I'm,also,going to need to get to bed earlier. I'm going to need some motivation,as i'm going through this 10 week cycle. I will actually be starting the week of the 11th because i'm heading down the shore all 4th of July week. I'm getting some light workouts in now,just to get warmed up,because i haven't been serious or really even training for a long time. The reason i need motivation is because i feel alright about myself now and it's very easy for me to slack off. My wife is also constantly telling me how i am just fine the way i am,but that's what they're supposed to say gotta go and thanks for the help

 

[Juggernauttx]

They always helped in my strength alot which was good for full range reps. I didn't know Sisco and Little said they were dangerous. I was still getting email from Sisco's website up until a few months ago and i am almost possitive i saw that he was still training people with partials. Maybe i'm wrong..... I'm basically going to train with many sets and just about every rep and weight plan i can think of. I'm going to train like a madman. I'm going to start with 3 days/week and may go to 5 days/week depending on how i feel. When i feel i need more rest,i will back off a day or 2 or more if i need it. I just bought a few bags of frozen vegetables that i will cook with some chicken and make myself a few bags for the road(work)every day. I'm,also,going to need to get to bed earlier. I'm going to need some motivation,as i'm going through this 10 week cycle. I will actually be starting the week of the 11th because i'm heading down the shore all 4th of July week. I'm getting some light workouts in now,just to get warmed up,because i haven't been serious or really even training for a long time. The reason i need motivation is because i feel alright about myself now and it's very easy for me to slack off. My wife is also constantly telling me how i am just fine the way i am,but that's what they're supposed to say gotta go and thanks for the help

I never also heard that Sisco and Little said it was dangerous, I thought you said it, and I just agreed that it was dangerous. Let me show you the quote where I thought it is what you said:

Does anyone think these are bad for joints. Power factor says they're now.

Either way, good look on your training!!

 

[MANWHORE]

I never also heard that Sisco and Little said it was dangerous, I thought you said it, and I just agreed that it was dangerous. Let me show you the quote where I thought it is what you said:




Either way, good look on your training!!

Damn,i don't know what i meant by that. I probably forgot to finish the sentence. ..... Besides fascia stretching,is a full range rep really required for growth? I don't think it is,because i don't think it would make sence if it was.... Besides stretching and warming up,i really don't think full range reps need to be done,unless you want to test strength. Full ROM reps are a good way to monitor strength gains,so... Actually they're much better for monitoring strength increases,so i guess that makes them better for monitoring progress,so i guess that can be a reason why they should be used,but i see that being(even though a very good one)the only real reason for using them....

 

[Grizzly]

You're making a joke, right Manwhore? No need for FROM reps? You've got to put down the vaporizor, bro.

Juggernaut- Dude, I've read a couple of your posts today. I like you. You know your shit. Congrats.

 

[MANWHORE]

You're making a joke, right Manwhore? No need for FROM reps? You've got to put down the vaporizor, bro.

Juggernaut- Dude, I've read a couple of your posts today. I like you. You know your shit. Congrats.

What a coinsidence.. Juggernaut knows his shit and i know.. SHIT
I'm using full range too,but .... maybe i missed that one. let me search

 

[Juggernauttx]

You're making a joke, right Manwhore? No need for FROM reps? You've got to put down the vaporizor, bro.

Juggernaut- Dude, I've read a couple of your posts today. I like you. You know your shit. Congrats.

Thanks Grizzly, and I guess if your going to be a Bear, you better be a GRIZZLY!!! ; )

 

[MANWHORE]

I just happened to pass by this post and was wondering something. If stretching is the key to size and strength,wouldn't it be better to use dumbbells for chest or a cambered bar? ..... I'm just curious,at what point is a rep not considered a partial and considered to be good for size/strength?

 

[Meat Train]

So this is how threads never die!

As for the partials and full range-- I think anytime the muscle is stressed it is contracting fully-- I mean, that is all a muscle can do, contract or relax. So, even though many muscles play a role in everything, as long as they are stressed (and not matter how), they are being worked. Sure, stretch them out and work them out in a more stretched full range position to allow for maybe more nutrients and more extra muslces to be involved, but as long as your focused muscle is stressed properly, it is being worked!

 

[MANWHORE]

So this is how threads never die!

I never really got an answer as to why full range are better than partials. Most of what i wrote was sarcasm. Glad to see you care. I believe it's the muscle Fibers that contract and only the ones needed when stressed,not the whole muscle. aa thank you