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what do you think of this my first cycle testosterone enanthate and tbol
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All Nats McGee
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300mg test and 60mg tbol will due just fine. My only suggestion would be to run anavar instead. Tbol is mild but not on lipids. Anavar you would need 30mg and it will be better then 60mg tbol.
which one is worse for the hair? I was thinking of using tbol because I heard that it was the best steroid for hair I have hair loss
BalrogRebel
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Embrace the hair loss. Any anabolic/androgenic compound will affect it. Some more than others, sure, but regular Testosterone itself, which you can't do without, will cause the hair loss if you have the genetics for it.
12.5 mg/day of Aromasin might be more than you need. If you have really high base estrogens before starting, at a moderate/low body fat percentage, then I might agree with a cautionary approach. If not, you might want to have that same dose every other day instead of daily. Test after a month to see where the estrogens are, and change the AI dose accordingly. I think "objectively" 12.5mg/day for 300mg/week of Test is more than necessary, though "subjectively" I understand if you'd rather err on the lower end.
12.5 mg/day of Aromasin might be more than you need. If you have really high base estrogens before starting, at a moderate/low body fat percentage, then I might agree with a cautionary approach. If not, you might want to have that same dose every other day instead of daily. Test after a month to see where the estrogens are, and change the AI dose accordingly. I think "objectively" 12.5mg/day for 300mg/week of Test is more than necessary, though "subjectively" I understand if you'd rather err on the lower end.
All Nats McGee
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The answer is don’t start using AAS. It’s inevitable. Big muscles or hair I would choose hair every time.
SauceBoss
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Tbol sucked for me I rathe take 100mgs of Anavar
Logan44551
Member
Seems like a lot of aromasin. Also you are starting PCT to early. I'd wait 4 weeks for esters to clear before starting PCT.
4 weeks is not too much time?
MisterSuperGod
New Member
12.5 mg Aromasin per day? Do you mean on the two days that you plan to inject?
At 300 mg/wk there's a good chance you won't even need it. Don't go doing the noobie shuffle and starting your AI on day one. Wait it out and see if it's even necessary.
At 300 mg/wk there's a good chance you won't even need it. Don't go doing the noobie shuffle and starting your AI on day one. Wait it out and see if it's even necessary.
If you’re 24, wait two more years. Most people recommend 26 years old because you’re better able to make mature decisions that could potentially affect you later in life. Use the two years to read everything about steroids, read everything about TRT (because that’s a good medical reference not because you need to do TRT now) and read as much as you can on this forum.
You should have a real good muscle base, with a good diet and training regimen already. Work on getting body fat down now so that you can EAT on cycle - that’s the only way you’ll get significant results. Don’t be the skinny/scrawny guy that eats on cycle like a skinny/scrawny guy cause guess what - at the end of your cycle you’ll be a skinny/scrawny guy bitching that you’re a “hardgainer” that even steroids can’t help. Same goes if you’re a great big fatty right now. Loose the weight before you cycle or you’ll still be a big fatty after you cycle, only you’ll probably have a nice set of bitch tits too.
If it’s your first cycle invest some time and effort into get bloodwork before you start, halfway thru your cycle and after you complete your PCT.
Bloodwork now: You want to see where your markers are before doing anything. Assuming it’s all healthy, that’s your baseline. It’ll show you what your LH/FSH and natural testosterone levels are now. You should return close to that after your PCT.
It’ll also give you AST and HDL/LDL cholesterol levels to compare to for every blood test you get on any future cycle.
Bloodwork mid-cycle: this will tell you how you respond to testosterone. Whether your estrogen is high and you might need an AI, what your testosterone level is on exogenous test, whether your hemocrit is affected. How much your cholesterol takes a hit, etc.
Bloodwork after PCT: this will obviously tell you if your PCT worked and you’re back on track fully functioning as a male. It’ll also show you how your markers responded to the cycle. Again, compare this to your pre-cycle bloodwork.
Good luck.
Oh and all of your aromasin and particularly your PCT meds should be pharmaceutical NOT UGL. There’s plenty of sources here for that. You don’t want to be doing a PCT with something that might be underdosed. Buy it now and it’ll save the boner struggle later.
You should have a real good muscle base, with a good diet and training regimen already. Work on getting body fat down now so that you can EAT on cycle - that’s the only way you’ll get significant results. Don’t be the skinny/scrawny guy that eats on cycle like a skinny/scrawny guy cause guess what - at the end of your cycle you’ll be a skinny/scrawny guy bitching that you’re a “hardgainer” that even steroids can’t help. Same goes if you’re a great big fatty right now. Loose the weight before you cycle or you’ll still be a big fatty after you cycle, only you’ll probably have a nice set of bitch tits too.
If it’s your first cycle invest some time and effort into get bloodwork before you start, halfway thru your cycle and after you complete your PCT.
Bloodwork now: You want to see where your markers are before doing anything. Assuming it’s all healthy, that’s your baseline. It’ll show you what your LH/FSH and natural testosterone levels are now. You should return close to that after your PCT.
It’ll also give you AST and HDL/LDL cholesterol levels to compare to for every blood test you get on any future cycle.
Bloodwork mid-cycle: this will tell you how you respond to testosterone. Whether your estrogen is high and you might need an AI, what your testosterone level is on exogenous test, whether your hemocrit is affected. How much your cholesterol takes a hit, etc.
Bloodwork after PCT: this will obviously tell you if your PCT worked and you’re back on track fully functioning as a male. It’ll also show you how your markers responded to the cycle. Again, compare this to your pre-cycle bloodwork.
Good luck.
Oh and all of your aromasin and particularly your PCT meds should be pharmaceutical NOT UGL. There’s plenty of sources here for that. You don’t want to be doing a PCT with something that might be underdosed. Buy it now and it’ll save the boner struggle later.
Test_Subject
New Member
Anavar wrecks my lipids worse than anything but superdrol. It's not exactly HDL-friendly.
But yes, I like it better than tbol. I've never been anything but underwhelmed with tbol.
All Nats McGee
Member
Worse then anything? Take 60mg tbol and get your lipids done. Tbol isn’t any better.
I think it sounds good other then the test dose is high your gonna look like a puff fish an think you made all kinda of gains in a week nope just water ...even with e blocker still gonna get puffy an it's gonna make your face ugly an more puffy .....I say through the tbol out lower the test down to about 150 to 200mg a week and run about 600mg of tren a ...that's what I would do if I wanted to look an feel good
tren cause too much hairloss
I’m the opposite of you. I can run a gram of testosterone and not get a puffy face at all. 12.5 mg aromasin twice a week. Everyone reacts differently.
Whopperflopper
Member
Wtf? As far as harm reduction goes, I would not recommend Tren that high for a first cycle.
I would drop the oral, and do 600 week Test. Then you MIGHT need the Aromasin.
With Tren, your going to clog the drains with your hair,and spike growth in odd places
Bumpygooch
Member
Tbol(and I suspect mast as well) crushed my HDL, down to 15. Planning on running anavar starting next week as part of a post op protocol, either 12.5 or 25mg/day. Also going to run some rosuvastatin along with it to see if it can mitigate the damage.
Bumpygooch
Member
Suggesting 600mg tren/week for a first cycle is slightly irresponsible. Suggesting tren at all with his experience isn’t bright. 300mg test is too low? It’s barely an elevated cruise dose. BBBG is right....wait. But, if you can’t, test only for 1st cycle to gauge reaction.
Way more sides from test imo unless you doing a small dose of test like a trt dose.. 500+ of test a week your e an dht levels are gonna be all over the damm place up an down while using e blocker ........imo that's a lot of side effects with tren he won't have any sides other then sweeting an sleeping probs he will look way fucking better ! Prolactin should not get to high at all as long as your e don't . I recommend 150mg week of test an 400 /500 tren a not tren e ! Tren a incase you have to stop it that way it won't stay in your system a long time
A good dose of test causes me all kinda of probs good Lord it's unreal !! I hate water weight I hate taking e blocker I hate my e being up an down i hate anything that converts to dht causes more hair lose an acne ! Test has lots of sides idk why people say it don't trust me it does ! An there worse then tren sides imo for me they are I don't really get any sides from tren an plus you will put lean mass on quicker
