What to take for firgure competitor? (Attn: Greybass)

[dunkonyou1]

My wife has a show in 9 weeks she started anavar at 10mg 2 weeks ago. She is also doing clen between 60-80 mcg for 2 week intervals. I know it would have been helpful to have added GH but that is not possible right now. Is there anything that should be added to help her get that hard look on the day of the show? Maybe adding some Test prop or winny a few weeks out? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Tank01]

My wife has a show in 9 weeks she started anavar at 10mg 2 weeks ago. She is also doing clen between 60-80 mcg for 2 week intervals. I know it would have been helpful to have added GH but that is not possible right now. Is there anything that should be added to help her get that hard look on the day of the show? Maybe adding some Test prop or winny a few weeks out? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dont do the test prop, winny might help though I forget the doseage that women are supposed to take.. I would make sure her diet, water intake, and mineral levels are all where they are supposed to be... I would make sure that you have some sort of mild diuretic cycle planned just prior to the show.. this will help her drop all the remaining subq water from under her skin and come in looking solid.. I wouldnt use anything like lasix... stick to the safer ones like Aldactone. Im assuming that you didnt ask about diet and such as you already know about it.. if not then you should read up on precontest dieting and such. Make sure her water intake is monitored.. some go as far back as 3 weeks from the show. Anyway im sure you have all this under controll...

Other drugs to consider would be Primobolan or masteron... masteron is more androgenic than Primo (I think.. i could be wrong.. so check into that first) so i would go with that becaue that will harden her up... only problem is you should be very carefull not to overdo the androgenic drugs because even if you are taking a low dose of both drugs the overall androgenic affect might be too much and she might start experiencing Masculin sides...

hope that helps..

and im pretty sure its Graybass.. not grey

later

 

[graybass]

Here I is!!
One wife and three GF's have done Fitness and Figure.(not to mention all my clients)
I agree whatever you do, do not over do the androgenics.
Just stay very anabolic (Anavar, Primo, Winstol which I don't like for women)
There are so many factors involved in hardness for men and women. A lot has to do with the maturity of muscles.

Stick to the basics. I know that you know but, Diet, cardio, carb depleting and loading, sodium intake. Also you wife needs serious muscle mass before cutting it to the bone. Many women think they should not train heavy. Big mistake!
Also, make sure she's still lifting for size and power during precontest diet phase.
This is where a lot of women lose muscle hardness.
I have a client going in a national qualifier in 3 weeks (figure, womens extravagansa in Jersey) I know, spelling!
These figure girls now have more muscle than Miss O had 15 years ago!

I'd stay away from GH at this late date. You don't know how she's going to react. Try it another time. (especially if this just a hobby)

Best of luck! remember competing is 90% diet
PS, I've had great success with over the counter Diuretics, with proper diet and cardio she won't need much help!
If I can help just PM me!

 

[G-Head]

That's a big 10-4 graybass as my fiancee and I found out at the master's nationals where she took the overall in the (over 35) division.

One thing is for certain, the master's nationals in Pa. and the national show this year in New York showcased some women that were bigger, leaner, and more dense than most professional figure competitors.

Did I mention BIGGER?

Good luck.

 

[rottenroguelacy]

Just a suggestion for the future(i wouldnt suggest it before a show)but I do very well with EQ .My last cycle was 10mg anavar and 100mg EQ.I had no sides from it other than a bit of acne on the shoulders but that was temporary i have run three cycles with eq in them and never had any problems.

 

[robbie]

Stick to the advice GRAYBASS gave you. He knows whats he is talking about.
As for EQ advice, I tell this ALL my female competitors, to NEVER use injectable steroids. Because they stay in the system for prolonged period of time (EQ stays for about 2-3 weeks), the female user is running a risk of androgenic build up in the body which will result in virilization side effects. For female competitor (especially Fitness and Figure) there is absolutely no need for these drugs. Stick to:
Anavar
Clen
Eca
Nolvadex (4-6 weeks before the contest to supress estrogen)
Proviron (works great last 4 weeks before contest with Nolvadex)
Triacana (this is alternative to more powerful and dangerous Cytomel)
Diuretics like Dyazide or Aldactone (to shed water)
Oral Primo is great (if you can get it)
Winstrol tabs are pretty safe because they clear from your body within few hours.
If a woman would ever chose to inject (for any reason) than Primo would be the only choice, yet still it's Depot ester which means the risk of androgenic build up still exists much more than with orals.
HGH is a great choice for competitors who have alittle more experience or National level or IFBB pros.
GOOD LUCK!

 

[rottenroguelacy]

Maybe I took the post the wrong way .But I do know what the hell I am talking about or doesnt expierience count for shit.My suggestion was as an alternate off season use.THat would be why i said i wouldnt use it before a show.I disagree with women using injectables i have used as have many of my friends who compete in figure.I think eq is a very safe choice for women as long as you dont feel the need to boatload the drugs,a little goes a long way and yes I know it stays effective in your system for at least two weeks after your last dose.But you know everyone is different and you have to use what is right for you.Myself primo sucked,wasnt worth the amp it was in but hey other women love it

 

[G-Head]

Stick to the advice GRAYBASS gave you. He knows whats he is talking about.
As for EQ advice, I tell this ALL my female competitors, to NEVER use injectable steroids. Because they stay in the system for prolonged period of time (EQ stays for about 2-3 weeks), the female user is running a risk of androgenic build up in the body which will result in virilization side effects. For female competitor (especially Fitness and Figure) there is absolutely no need for these drugs. Stick to:
Anavar
Clen
Eca
Nolvadex (4-6 weeks before the contest to supress estrogen)
Proviron (works great last 4 weeks before contest with Nolvadex)
Triacana (this is alternative to more powerful and dangerous Cytomel)
Diuretics like Dyazide or Aldactone (to shed water)
Oral Primo is great (if you can get it)
Winstrol tabs are pretty safe because they clear from your body within few hours.
If a woman would ever chose to inject (for any reason) than Primo would be the only choice, yet still it's Depot ester which means the risk of androgenic build up still exists much more than with orals.
HGH is a great choice for competitors who have alittle more experience or National level or IFBB pros.
GOOD LUCK!

I have to disagree with you on the injectable point for females. If a female has aspirations to compete on the national or pro level injectables must be considered.

As far as virilization that tends to vary from competitor to competitor. After competing figure competitors in National shows for the past 3 years I don't think some are even concerned about it to be honest.

 

[robbie]

Maybe I took the post the wrong way .But I do know what the hell I am talking about or doesnt expierience count for shit.My suggestion was as an alternate off season use.THat would be why i said i wouldnt use it before a show.I disagree with women using injectables i have used as have many of my friends who compete in figure.I think eq is a very safe choice for women as long as you dont feel the need to boatload the drugs,a little goes a long way and yes I know it stays effective in your system for at least two weeks after your last dose.But you know everyone is different and you have to use what is right for you.Myself primo sucked,wasnt worth the amp it was in but hey other women love it

No offence, but you actually dont know what you talking about. Because if you did, you would know that there is ABSOLUTELY no need to use anything offseason for a Figure competitor. The new judging criteria right now clearly favors women with muscles, but yet feminine, thats why side effcts should be kept to a minimum if possible. Can EQ be used by a Figure competitor? Hell yes. But should it be the drug of choice? Hell no. In fact if there is very little fat and the estrogen is supressed one or two at most anabolics should be enough.
And those should NOT be EQ if that can be avoided. Figure competitors use anabolics mainly to preserve their muscle while they diet, not to build muscle.
You said you had no side effects from EQ. I belive you, but that doesnt mean someone else wont. So why would you recommend something that has a higher risk of virilization symptoms than much safer alternatives. Anavar and Winstrol tabs come in very low dosage and can be very easily controlled due to short half life. There women that use EQ, Deca and even Test and Tren and get by without side effects but that doesnt mean anything. Women that are in to Fitness and Figure should avoid using those drugs if possible. They can look great, minimize side effects with safer drugs and plus who would want to sponsor a woman that looks like man.

 

[robbie]

I have to disagree with you on the injectable point for females. If a female has aspirations to compete on the national or pro level injectables must be considered.

As far as virilization that tends to vary from competitor to competitor. After competing figure competitors in National shows for the past 3 years I don't think some are even concerned about it to be honest.

I have a question for you. How well did you do in the Nationals?
I personally know 2 of the last years top 6 Figure Olympia competitors who did not use injectables. I also know one former (very recent) Ms.Olympia (bodybuilding) who never touched an injectable steroid. Yes all of them used HGH, but I did mention in my post that women on National and Pro level should use HGH.
You are very wrong when you say that women can not compete on National or Pro level without injecting steroids. Yes they can. In fact even Dinabol is easier to control than injectables, cause you can always back off, but with injectables especially depot which stays 2-3 weeks in the system you are at risk.
Just like said before, yes you can use injectables, in fact you might even get by without any sides but why risk it? Especially for a Figure show where the risk is so unneccessary. Figure competitors rely much more on Clen, Nolvadex, Proviron, ECA and Triacana (the ones that are smart), anabolics just act as anti catabolic during the contest prep.
As for your statement that some women are not concerned with side effects, yes you right about "some", but MOST are concerned and should be. If side effects can be avoided or minimized than only someone "not very bright" or not educated on the subject would choose something that has a higher risk to harm him (or her). Most of my female competitors ask whether or not they will get sides, cause they are afraid and plus dont forget the girls that are getting sponsored look very feminine and would not risk it and willing to pay someone to help them stay as healthy ( and healthy looking) as possible.

 

[G-Head]

I have a question for you. How well did you do in the Nationals?
I personally know 2 of the last years top 6 Figure Olympia competitors who did not use injectables. I also know one former (very recent) Ms.Olympia (bodybuilding) who never touched an injectable steroid. Yes all of them used HGH, but I did mention in my post that women on National and Pro level should use HGH.
You are very wrong when you say that women can not compete on National or Pro level without injecting steroids. Yes they can. In fact even Dinabol is easier to control than injectables, cause you can always back off, but with injectables especially depot which stays 2-3 weeks in the system you are at risk.
Just like said before, yes you can use injectables, in fact you might even get by without any sides but why risk it? Especially for a Figure show where the risk is so unneccessary. Figure competitors rely much more on Clen, Nolvadex, Proviron, ECA and Triacana (the ones that are smart), anabolics just act as anti catabolic during the contest prep.
As for your statement that some women are not concerned with side effects, yes you right about "some", but MOST are concerned and should be. If side effects can be avoided or minimized than only someone "not very bright" or not educated on the subject would choose something that has a higher risk to harm him (or her). Most of my female competitors ask whether or not they will get sides, cause they are afraid and plus dont forget the girls that are getting sponsored look very feminine and would not risk it and willing to pay someone to help them stay as healthy ( and healthy looking) as possible.

Funny how everyone on this site knows a professional or 2 personally.

Check "wife is having trouble with weight" under the female forum for my females results and as far as what they placed for in the New York show, they faired well. As far as you asking me how they did I'd say a master's national championship in the over 35 class is nothing to sneeze at.

Have you been to this year's national shows? Have you seen the women making top 2? There is a banged up face and deep voices on just about 99% of every girl.

The pro level females were small compared to the top 2 in each height class in New York this year.

I sat behind Charles Glass at the night show and picked his brain a bit about the turn that National Figure competitions have taken this year. (no I don't know him personally). His competitor did not crack top 5 either by the way.

So you saying you know 2 pros impacts the national stage how? The competition on the pro stage is decided long before they get on stage. We presume who the top 5 will be and viola they are top 5.

The New York pro show was ridiculous, Medina was in a callout for about 20 seconds. Comparing what the pros do, to what females have to do NOW to turn pro, is like apples and oranges. I've been at every National show this year, (except the North American) where a figure girl has turned pro and they are much bigger than those a couple years ago. There is no way the likes of Michelle Adams, Christie Robbins, etc turn pro in 2004.

I just tend to disagree with you.

You don't even need to tell me how your girls did in New Haven, Chicago, or New York this year.

 

[robbie]

Funny how everyone on this site knows a professional or 2 personally.

Check "wife is having trouble with weight" under the female forum for my females results and as far as what they placed for in the New York show, they faired well. As far as you asking me how they did I'd say a master's national championship in the over 35 class is nothing to sneeze at.

Have you been to this year's national shows? Have you seen the women making top 2? There is a banged up face and deep voices on just about 99% of every girl.

The pro level females were small compared to the top 2 in each height class in New York this year.

I sat behind Charles Glass at the night show and picked his brain a bit about the turn that National Figure competitions have taken this year. (no I don't know him personally). His competitor did not crack top 5 either by the way.

So you saying you know 2 pros impacts the national stage how? The competition on the pro stage is decided long before they get on stage. We presume who the top 5 will be and viola they are top 5.

The New York pro show was ridiculous, Medina was in a callout for about 20 seconds. Comparing what the pros do, to what females have to do NOW to turn pro, is like apples and oranges. I've been at every National show this year, (except the North American) where a figure girl has turned pro and they are much bigger than those a couple years ago. There is no way the likes of Michelle Adams, Christie Robbins, etc turn pro in 2004.

I just tend to disagree with you.

You don't even need to tell me how your girls did in New Haven, Chicago, or New York this year.

I will not comment on "others" whether they know or dont know any pros, that is absolutely ridiculous.
However I do know and work with some pros and National competitors.
Charles Glass is great trainer but I do not need to pick his brain like you do.
And Yes I have atteneded the USA this year and I do attend most of Pro shows and been in the industry for quite some time. And yes I am good friends with one of the former (very recent Ms.Olympia) and on top of that my wife placed is a competitor who did very well in all the shows she entered and DID NOT use any injectable steroids (isn't it what this is all about). She will compete in 2005 Nationals due to the reason we just had a baby and it will be her first time using HGH. People tend to forget how much training, cardio and most importantly nutrition play a vital role in contest prep.
As for politics in Figure, Fitness and Bodybuilding I DO AGREE with you to some extent, but you are quite wrong that the winner is chosen before the show, it's just the sponsors can somehow influence the outcome, but the judging is still pretty fare, except maybe Figure where the judges themself dont yet how to judge and the NPC and IFBB dont know what they want at this stage whether its "soft" bodybuilding look or model with some muscles look.

 

[G-Head]

An oppurtunity to talk to Charles Glass was awesome but, needing to pick his brain, and WANTING to pick his brain are two different things. I wanted to. After being involved with the sport of bodybuilding since the early 80's and owning a business that is dependent upon the consistency of clients, I felt it was a great opportunity.

As far as your stabs at me I think they are hilarious. Get your wife on the National Stage then come talk to me otherwise, what you are talking about is in theory.

BTW I have never met a pro, male or female, and I've met a bunch, that ever divulges what the take or don't take HONESTLY.

Good luck to your wife and congrats on the baby.

 

[robbie]

An oppurtunity to talk to Charles Glass was awesome but, needing to pick his brain, and WANTING to pick his brain are two different things. I wanted to. After being involved with the sport of bodybuilding since the early 80's and owning a business that is dependent upon the consistency of clients, I felt it was a great opportunity.

As far as your stabs at me I think they are hilarious. Get your wife on the National Stage then come talk to me otherwise, what you are talking about is in theory.

BTW I have never met a pro, male or female, and I've met a bunch, that ever divulges what the take or don't take HONESTLY.

Good luck to your wife and congrats on the baby.

Ok I will respond to you one more (and last time).
I dont take stabs at you and you dont even know me. I actually read some of your other posts and seem like you like to argue (not debate), and I am really not in to that.
As for taking my wife to Nationals, dont worry she'll be there. I did take quite a few clients to the Nationals and 2 of them are pro's right now. You want names PM me. This is becoming a pissing contest. I hate that.
Again what I am talking about is NOT theory and if you want to challenge me for a real debate where I can gladly show you few things (without the need "to ask the pros" about their use LOL) than feel free to PM me or GRAYBASS, who is a good friend and quite an expert in Female contest prep.
Stick to your "theory" and see how far you go...
I was trying to be nice but talking to you is becoming not educational (on your part) but simply childish and boring.
Good Luck!
P.S. I used to have theory 10 years ago, but for the last 8 they are "facts".

 

[goddess]

charles glass & his contemporary...

thought i'd throw my 2cents into the mix here...
A. i know Charles, he's a great resource of knowledge. (he was just gettting photos taken today...perhaps a mmi update?) his friend is also very good - he had a buddy from high school who competted wih him in gymnastics, then bodybuiling. Robert Sherman - a good friend & mentor. I'll post his url when it's up.

B. I never had much problem with EQ, Primo, Whinny, I did have problems taking orals - made me nauseous. So long as girls dont go over 150mg/week, i think those are safe. Anavar is the only oral i ever took successfully. Had some problems w ith Deca.

 

[rottenroguelacy]

thought i'd throw my 2cents into the mix here...
A. i know Charles, he's a great resource of knowledge. (he was just gettting photos taken today...perhaps a mmi update?) his friend is also very good - he had a buddy from high school who competted wih him in gymnastics, then bodybuiling. Robert Sherman - a good friend & mentor. I'll post his url when it's up.

B. I never had much problem with EQ, Primo, Whinny, I did have problems taking orals - made me nauseous. So long as girls dont go over 150mg/week, i think those are safe. Anavar is the only oral i ever took successfully. Had some problems w ith Deca.

THANK YOU another female that has taken eq no problems.

 

[robbie]

THANK YOU another female that has taken eq no problems.

It was never about how many women can take EQ and get away. There more women that took eq, deca, test and even tren and did not get side effects.
It's about whether or not it's neccessary or not. And if we talk about Figure contests a woman with good genetics, good diet/training/cardio program can have a a fantastic body and minimize the risk of sides by using Clenbuterol, Anavar, HGH (at 1-2 IU's), Tiratricol (instead of Cytomel), Nolvadex and maybe Proviron for the last 4 weeks.
You keep missing the point, I never suggested you had side effects and never said that every women who uses the injectable steroids will get problems.
All I am saying (and speaking from experience) that you dont need it. ESPECIALLY IF YOU USING IT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
And you definately dont need OFF SEASON drug use for Figure.

 

[rottenroguelacy]

recreational use?what is that ?i'm not a figure competitor but i do compete

 

[robbie]

recreational use?what is that ?i'm not a figure competitor but i do compete

Recreational user means someone who doesnt compete but takes anabolic steroids.. Since you compete you definately NOT recreational. Since you not Figure competitor and you compete, I presume you are a bodybuilder. Taking EQ or simialr compunds for that purpose and especially off season makes more sence.
However even in bodybuilding it's NOT neccessary. I can not name her here, but like I said before there is Ms.Olympia who I know for sure that the only injectables she was taking is HGH. Can injectable steroids be used? Yes! Can they be used without the sedes? Yes! Can the sides be totally avoided? No!
Can the risk of having them be minimized? Yes!
I hope you see my point.

 

[rottenroguelacy]

Nope powerlifting/ strongwoman