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Why am I losing my sex drive on Test?
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Sworder
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Estrogen imbalances probably. Taking any AI? Do you watch a lot of cartoons?
mac111
New Member
the raised libido can tend to taper off at the latter stages and as sworder pointed out, estro can play a part although 250mg discounting ester, isnt an awful lot of test
MANWHORE
Subscriber
Because Tren should be added to every cycle
You should have known that,.. no excuse
Test should be added to every cycle
but guys are losing their sex-drive on Test
only cycles, and I have no problem keeping
mine on Tren only
2+2 just might equal 3
You should have known that,.. no excuse
Test should be added to every cycle
but guys are losing their sex-drive on Test
only cycles, and I have no problem keeping
mine on Tren only
2+2 just might equal 3
foreveryoung
New Member
so no AI? I wonder if the time delayed loss of libido might be due to your body amping up aromatase production in response to the high levels of testosterone in the body..... that is one way the body tries to deal with what it "thinks" is too much testosterone floating around
Estrogen imbalances? What? Why isn't testosterone considered the more likely culprit since it's the most recent physiologic alteration in your case? You are describing an adverse effect which is typical of almost every cycle where the dosage or drugs being used remain constant, the result.....biologic TOLERANCE!
This occurs and is inevitable because cycling significantly alters the normal circadian rhythm which is so important in male sexuality. Since I strongly suspect E-2 levels will be within the "normal" range (they almost always are in similar circumstances) then what?
Here's your options;
1) start another AAS
2) increase to dosage of your existing anabolics
3) begin HCG as pretreatment for PCT
4) start an AI
The bottom line is something should be done to increase your effective testosterone level, or your symptoms will persist.
Regards
Jim
This occurs and is inevitable because cycling significantly alters the normal circadian rhythm which is so important in male sexuality. Since I strongly suspect E-2 levels will be within the "normal" range (they almost always are in similar circumstances) then what?
Here's your options;
1) start another AAS
2) increase to dosage of your existing anabolics
3) begin HCG as pretreatment for PCT
4) start an AI
The bottom line is something should be done to increase your effective testosterone level, or your symptoms will persist.
Regards
Jim
For example it's been well established that if steady state supraphysiological GnRH or LH secretion is induced experimentally, the result in DECREASED testosterone production!
Consequently the cyclical release of gonadotropins which naturally occurs is required for optimal physiologic responsiveness. When AAS are used the result is the same, steady state, albeit sub-physiologic, gonadotropin levels. Don't mess with mother nature, mates.
Consequently the cyclical release of gonadotropins which naturally occurs is required for optimal physiologic responsiveness. When AAS are used the result is the same, steady state, albeit sub-physiologic, gonadotropin levels. Don't mess with mother nature, mates.
Sworder
Member
Tread carefully around here saying that the body develops tolerance to AAS! Very mixed opinions about that matter. I need to head out to work or I would find the thread for you which touches on the subject.
His testosterone levels should be high enough so that shouldn't be the case if it was like within 5-7 days of his last shot. He didn't quite mention that he wasn't on right now which would make me think again or at least question his current testosterone levels. Running high amount of testosterone (1000mg/week) will have you hornier than a 15 year old in middle school jerking off to his teachers. If you control estrogen that is. If you let estrogen run rampant this will happen which is why I asked if he was taking any AI. Dunno, why he was talking about cartoons kinda irrelevant.. Every individual has a normal range for estrogen and testosterone which must be followed for libido to work properly. Thousands of TRT patients can tell you of how long it took them to get test/estrogen balanced so they could finally get a properly functioning libido.
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Sworder
Really, provide me with ANY evidence that specifically supports what your saying regarding estrogen LEVELS and male sexuality! The problem is as I've described and should not be attributed to some vague idiosyncratic estrogen balance. Should you not believe tolerance develops with fixed supra physiologic levels of testosterone then why are "cycles" necessary? Rather one could remain on a steady dose of test and expect similar gains week after week.....That won't work will it? Because physiologic tolerance occurs and male sexuality is no different.
Really, provide me with ANY evidence that specifically supports what your saying regarding estrogen LEVELS and male sexuality! The problem is as I've described and should not be attributed to some vague idiosyncratic estrogen balance. Should you not believe tolerance develops with fixed supra physiologic levels of testosterone then why are "cycles" necessary? Rather one could remain on a steady dose of test and expect similar gains week after week.....That won't work will it? Because physiologic tolerance occurs and male sexuality is no different.
Sworder
Member
Sure! Once I get home I will post some studies as I know there are many on this topic. Too high estrogen = sexual dysfunction. Oh well I guess I should let the literature do the talking.. will post later
I'm not refuting wether "to high" or to low estrogen CAN result in sexual dysfunction in extreme cases where the tT:E-2 ratio is grossly abnormal because of some metabolic derangement, but I'd love to see any evidence it occurs as the result of AAS cycling. Especially when test is part of the cycle, as is the case in the existing post.
An exception may occur however if cycling with anabolics which don't aromatize, absent test or HCG supplementation, and ALSO using an AI. Since under that circumstance E-2 may indeed become to depressed especially with Letrozole.
An exception may occur however if cycling with anabolics which don't aromatize, absent test or HCG supplementation, and ALSO using an AI. Since under that circumstance E-2 may indeed become to depressed especially with Letrozole.
Sworder
Member
If "abnormal" t:e2 ratios cause it TRT I would extrapolate that information to AAS use wouldn't you find that reasonable? I think you give testosterone too much credit in regards to libido. Am sure you have seen some of Manwhore's posts about tren only cycles. Doesn't cause him any sexual dysfunction. Same with a friend that is running a 10 week 500mg deca only cycle. I told him to add test or his libido will suffer. He says he hasn't had any problems. I believe him to be honest because he was offered test at a low price and money isn't a problem.
Their libido could very well suffer if they also use an AI, because doing so MAY drive E-2 "to low". However I suspect that assertion would only apply if you believe depressed estradial levels can contribute to male sexual dysfunction. Nonetheless, I do recall MW started a thread a while back regarding his "disinterest in sex while using an AI", but do not remember what else he was cycling.
Jim
Jim
You can always take Viagra and you won't have to listen to our contrived BS, lol!
Jim
Jim
Sworder
Member
This thread should be an interesting read for you about the topic: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134313630
Discussing tolerance, desensitization et cetera..
I don't believe "androgen receptors can get saturated". I've run AAS a long time and never got "saturated", plus there is little scientific evidence for this old theory. Sorry, Dr. Jim, but not to worry since this is not a democracy and consensus proves little.
Mainly, if you don't use a milder AI you can expect aromatization (more estro) and, yes, that will precipitate a drop in your libido every time.
Of course, killing off all estro (as in using Letro) will also kill libido.
HCG is to keep your testes fat, and it can increase sex-drive, too, but not if it increases estro, which it will do: AI (aromasin or arimidex) needed.
Solo
Mainly, if you don't use a milder AI you can expect aromatization (more estro) and, yes, that will precipitate a drop in your libido every time.
Of course, killing off all estro (as in using Letro) will also kill libido.
HCG is to keep your testes fat, and it can increase sex-drive, too, but not if it increases estro, which it will do: AI (aromasin or arimidex) needed.
Solo
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