Why aren't animal fats used as a carrier oil?

[Jire]

I don't know anything about brewing, so I hope this isn't a stupid question.

I always seem to have some level of PIP against MCT, Miglyol, and GSO.

What I figure, is that using an animal fat such as duck fat, could possibly alleviate any PIP when injected subQ? Because the body's fat is already animal fat, there isn't very much difference between your fat and the fat of an animals.

A big concern in mind would be sterilization. Stomach takes a lot of the risks away from contamination, but when something is injected we have to be much more careful.

The viscosity would present itself as problematic, but it could be easily remedied by heating the vial in hot water before each injection.

Was just wondering your opinions are on this!

 

[Cumminstech]

I don't know anything about brewing, so I hope this isn't a stupid question.

I always seem to have some level of PIP against MCT, Miglyol, and GSO.

What I figure, is that using an animal fat such as duck fat, could possibly alleviate any PIP when injected subQ? Because the body's fat is already animal fat, there isn't very much difference between your fat and the fat of an animals.

A big concern in mind would be sterilization. Stomach takes a lot of the risks away from contamination, but when something is injected we have to be much more careful.

The viscosity would present itself as problematic, but it could be easily remedied by heating the vial in hot water before each injection.

Was just wondering your opinions are on this!

you go first

 

[malfeasance]

Animal fats are typically solid at room temperature due to their chemical structure. Melting point is 86-104 degrees.

They sell duck fat online. As you can see by using Google, it is sold as a solid.

Vegetable oils (e.g. grape seed oil, frequently used in pharma steroids) are liquid at room temperature, again, due to their chemical structure.

Duck fat would go rancid in short order. If you buy it, you must store it in the refrigerator.

 

[Jire]

Animal fats are typically solid at room temperature due to their chemical structure. Melting point is 86-104 degrees.

They sell duck fat online. As you can see by using Google, it is sold as a solid.

Vegetable oils (e.g. grape seed oil, frequently used in pharma steroids) are liquid at room temperature, again, due to their chemical structure.

Duck fat would go rancid in short order. If you buy it, you must store it in the refrigerator.

Yes, but like you said the melting point is pretty low, so it shouldn't be too big of an inconvenience to heat the vial in some hot water for 10 minutes to get it into liquid form?

And from my experience, animal fat does not go rancid quickly, it takes months. Animal protein does, so you must ensure that your fat is all fat. Even still, refrigeration isn't really an inconvenience.

Still curious about this stuff!

 

[Eman]

Yes, but like you said the melting point is pretty low, so it shouldn't be too big of an inconvenience to heat the vial in some hot water for 10 minutes to get it into liquid form?

The solvents would separate from the oil when it solidifies and most likely crash the ever living shit out of the solution... Maybe it wouldn't if you had something like Test E but it would probably be a mess.

Even still, refrigeration isn't really an inconvenience.

Again, it'll crash. You'd essentially have to rebrew the compound every time you used it.

It's really best to not try and get too creative with reinventing the wheel on brewing. MCT, GSO, etc are all just fine to use... Beef fat is great for making french fries, not so much AAS. Also, human fat is pretty much the same as most plant fats... So I don't really see the benefit of using animal fat.

 

[Jet Labs]

Yes, but like you said the melting point is pretty low, so it shouldn't be too big of an inconvenience to heat the vial in some hot water for 10 minutes to get it into liquid form?

And from my experience, animal fat does not go rancid quickly, it takes months. Animal protein does, so you must ensure that your fat is all fat. Even still, refrigeration isn't really an inconvenience.

Still curious about this stuff!

Instead of using tried and tested round tires you should try those new fangled square ones, oh and instead of using antibiotics to cure sickness why not just go chew on some mossy bark.

Seriously just how fucking stupid are you?.............duck fat.....WOW!

 

[SkankHunt]

I don't know anything about brewing, so I hope this isn't a stupid question.

I always seem to have some level of PIP against MCT, Miglyol, and GSO.

What I figure, is that using an animal fat such as duck fat, could possibly alleviate any PIP when injected subQ? Because the body's fat is already animal fat, there isn't very much difference between your fat and the fat of an animals.

A big concern in mind would be sterilization. Stomach takes a lot of the risks away from contamination, but when something is injected we have to be much more careful.

The viscosity would present itself as problematic, but it could be easily remedied by heating the vial in hot water before each injection.

Was just wondering your opinions are on this!

Do you only inject subQ? Or do you still get bad pip with IM injections as well?

 

[Jire]

Do you only inject subQ? Or do you still get bad pip with IM injections as well?

I've only done subQ, I pin everyday so IM would not be ideal for me.

 

[Jet Labs]

I've only done subQ, I pin everyday so IM would not be ideal for me.

Pinning daily why exactly?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

As already stated in another post months ago, take a condom (srsly) , fill it with duck fat and your favored raws aas, tie a knot and put it into microwave for 10 minutes.

then let it cool to room temp, once it reached it put it into a freezer, in 8 hours it should be ok.

ok, cut off the condom and you should have a dick shaped mixture of duck fat and solved gear.

Shove it into your ass after a squat session (or during, but from the 2nd set onwards) and your done... highly suggested to prep a weekly dosage, once a week..

put some cuttlefish ink into the brew... trust me... it would make it way way more special..

once you go black, you never go back

 

[SkankHunt]

As already stated in another post months ago, take a condom (srsly) , fill it with duck fat and your favored raws aas, tie a knot and put it into microwave for 10 minutes.

then let it cool to room temp, once it reached it put it into a freezer, in 8 hours it should be ok.

ok, cut off the condom and you should have a dick shaped mixture of duck fat and solved gear.

Shove it into your ass after a squat session (or during, but from the 2nd set onwards) and your done... highly suggested to prep a weekly dosage, once a week..

put some cuttlefish ink into the brew... trust me... it would make it way way more special..

once you go black, you never go back

10/10 would recommend.

 

[SkankHunt]

I've only done subQ, I pin everyday so IM would not be ideal for me.

You can try it, you got nothing to lose. Quad quad delt delt VG glute and glute. Rotate those. The pip is gunna be there depending on what you’re shooting. Everyone is different, I’ve used 600mg/ml with zero pip, some brands I use 100mg test prop and I get pip. Give it a shot with IM.

 

[MFAAS]

Yes, but like you said the melting point is pretty low, so it shouldn't be too big of an inconvenience to heat the vial in some hot water for 10 minutes to get it into liquid form?

Really? That sounds like a huge pain in the ass to have to do multiple times per week, or even every day in the case of short esters. And for what benefit? Possible reduction in PIP, but probably not even? Plus heating it up in hot water repeatedly like that is probably going to increase the speed at which it goes rancid and/or grow bacteria in it. I will take MCT or GSO for sure.

I've only done subQ, I pin everyday so IM would not be ideal for me.

Why? I pin IM every day when I use NPP, MENT, or Tren A. It's not bad at all given that I use a 27g slin pin. Super easy, no PIP, almost zero tissue damage compared to a big old 25g needle. If you're doing Test E or Test C, you really aren't getting any benefit by pinning every day. At least switch to EOD, if not E3D, E3.5D, or even just a simple MWF schedule.

IMHO SubQ is really shitty for AAS. I always got PIP with subq, I would get painful lumps that would take multiple weeks to go away and didn't look good at all either (I'm lean so the lumps looked like tumorous lymph nodes or something). It was just terrible.

I switched to IM and yes, I had virgin muscle PIP for about 3 weeks, but then it went away because my muscle got used to being pinned--that is a totally natural experience. Sometimes the virgin muscle PIP was quite bad, but it always goes away after a few weeks. So you have 3, maybe 4 weeks of achey muscles from the PINs, it might interfere a little with your lifts at times, then it stops. Personally, I also have better absorption/dose response from IM than I do SubQ, too. I will never, ever go back to pinning AAS subq, it is just a BS route of administration IMO.

So if you haven't given IM a real try, but instead got scared off by 2 pins because your muscles got sore, consider giving it another try. It's worth it in the long run

 

[Millard]