Why does deca cause water retention?

[oceanus99]

If deca aromatizes at a much lower rate than test, why does it come with so much bloat? What's the pathway behind the water retention it causes?

 

[Erin]

Expansion of extracellular water is common to many AAS, not just nandrolone

 

[DonQKong]

All AAS cause water retention, and not only by estrogen conversion. Even dry compounds that do not convert cause water retention.

What you can do to minimise it is control your sodium and carb intake, but at the end of the day, you will bloat to some extent. Why that happens is a topic which could deserve some more science and less bro-theories.

I am using DNP as an example for my bro-theory, and that is that your body's reaction to unfamiliar compounds or high dosages of familiar compounds is to try and dillute it. By adding water weight, the body dillutes the effect of the compound and can also position getting rid of the compound through sweating or pissing it out.

For DNP, that's exactly what happens - your body sees the poison, bloats you like fuck and that way cause less strain on your organs through dilution of the dose. Same thing with AAS.

My two bro-pence spent and spilled.

DQ

 

[Erin]

All AAS cause water retention, and not only by estrogen conversion. Even dry compounds that do not convert cause water retention.

What you can do to minimise it is control your sodium and carb intake, but at the end of the day, you will bloat to some extent. Why that happens is a topic which could deserve some more science and less bro-theories.

I am using DNP as an example for my bro-theory, and that is that your body's reaction to unfamiliar compounds or high dosages of familiar compounds is to try and dillute it. By adding water weight, the body dillutes the effect of the compound and can also position getting rid of the compound through sweating or pissing it out.

For DNP, that's exactly what happens - your body sees the poison, bloats you like fuck and that way cause less strain on your organs through dilution of the dose. Same thing with AAS.

My two bro-pence spent and spilled.

DQ

Another good reason to keep sodium < 1500mg/d: cardiovascular health

 

[lukiss96]

According to Dr. George Touliatos, it is because nandrolone decanoate causes the increase in aldosterone the most of all steroids. I can't back up his claim, but to me this is all I needed to hear when I ballooned on deca eating 3k calories...

At ~230 pounds eating 3000cals I always go down in weight (water, glycogen and fat). Not on fucking deca, I fucking hate it!!!

I like doctor T and I trust him. He gives excellent advice. European docs are great.

 

[juicebro]

Nandrolone is an aldosterone agonist like all other AAS.

 

[steckdose0]

According to Dr. George Touliatos, it is because nandrolone decanoate causes the increase in aldosterone the most of all steroids. I can't back up his claim, but to me this is all I needed to hear when I ballooned on deca eating 3k calories...

At ~230 pounds eating 3000cals I always go down in weight (water, glycogen and fat). Not on fucking deca, I fucking hate it!!!

I like doctor T and I trust him. He gives excellent advice. European docs are great.

he specifically said nand deca does that or nand in general?

 

[Rido]

he specifically said nand deca does that or nand in general?

I wonder if the constant supply of nandrolone from the long ester is the reason why there is more water retention.

 

[steckdose0]

I wonder if the constant supply of nandrolone from the long ester is the reason why there is more water retention.

i'm not good at the deep details of steroids but i think the longer the compound hangs out in the body via the ester, the more time it has to cause water weight. this is why my test U dose is absolutely just a TRT dose and if i want a boost, i add in test E.

my experience with NPP is that is bloats less than test E. never tried deca though.

 

[Palifter]

Increase in aldosterone for sure.

Also, any time deca is in the mix, 9 times out of 10, so is a caloric surplus. For a lot of people that caloric surplus isn’t more chicken and rice, it’s junk. It’s rare deca is used in a contest prep/cutting phase. For this reason, deca is synonymous with water retention and “fluff” which is highly diet driven imo.

NPP is actually great leading up to a show and if diet is in check, it can be pulled pretty close to show day without any unwanted water retention and bloat.

 

[lukiss96]

Increase in aldosterone for sure.

Also, any time deca is in the mix, 9 times out of 10, so is a caloric surplus. For a lot of people that caloric surplus isn’t more chicken and rice, it’s junk. It’s rare deca is used in a contest prep/cutting phase. For this reason, deca is synonymous with water retention and “fluff” which is highly diet driven imo.

NPP is actually great leading up to a show and if diet is in check, it can be pulled pretty close to show day without any unwanted water retention and bloat.

Great words! This is almost always the case when ppl use "bulkers".

I've heard that deca solo is actually pretty dry by itself, it's when testosterone is in the mix they start to fight. This explanation may be just bro science bs, but when looking at golden era bodybuilders it kinda makes sense, I guess.

@steckdose0 not gonna pretend that I remember exactly what he said, I just remember the key point he said about deca/nand itself. It was ~2 years ago and I can't find it now.

 

[Rido]

Great words! This is almost always the case when ppl use "bulkers".

I've heard that deca solo is actually pretty dry by itself, it's when testosterone is in the mix they start to fight. This explanation may be just bro science bs, but when looking at golden era bodybuilders it kinda makes sense, I guess.

@steckdose0 not gonna pretend that I remember exactly what he said, I just remember the key point he said about deca/nand itself. It was ~2 years ago and I can't find it now.

I wonder how the hunger is on Deca. NPP was too much..

 

[steckdose0]

Also, any time deca is in the mix, 9 times out of 10, so is a caloric surplus. For a lot of people that caloric surplus isn’t more chicken and rice, it’s junk.

that's very true. can't tell you how many times i've heard in the gym about guys hitting up chick fil a in order to hit their macros, while they're blasting anadrol and wondering why they look like a bloatdaddy9000.

years ago i assessed this theory by adding in some notoriously "wet" compounds while very lean and dieting hard. i must have been 8 or 9%. i threw in NPP @ 300mg a week - i found that it wrapped me in a thin layer of water and gave me a rounder look. i was on 150 test and 400 mast at the time. i dropped that and about a month later i added dbol @ 40 or 50mg which i found just totally filled me up with water. within days i saw my face get round and i hate that look but i'm sure i would have been way more bloated if i had been eating like shit. i despise any level of water retention at all.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Up regulates aldosterone. The hormone that regulates minerals and fluid

 

[lukiss96]

I wonder how the hunger is on Deca. NPP was too much..

I got hit by insatiable appetite after about 6-7 weeks on deca.

As an example equipoise helps me eat less calories and feel more full on less calories. This goes to show how different we are.

 

[Palifter]

that's very true. can't tell you how many times i've heard in the gym about guys hitting up chick fil a in order to hit their macros, while they're blasting anadrol and wondering why they look like a bloatdaddy9000.

years ago i assessed this theory by adding in some notoriously "wet" compounds while very lean and dieting hard. i must have been 8 or 9%. i threw in NPP @ 300mg a week - i found that it wrapped me in a thin layer of water and gave me a rounder look. i was on 150 test and 400 mast at the time. i dropped that and about a month later i added dbol @ 40 or 50mg which i found just totally filled me up with water. within days i saw my face get round and i hate that look. i despise any level of water retention at all.

Gym bro: “This deca is making me hella watery.”

Me: “I just saw you eat an entire sheet cake in the gym parking lot…”

Poor deca, it’s done nothing wrong to deserve such treatment but here we are lol.

Anadrol is another example of a “bulker” or off-season drug that has merit in pre contest peaking. You bet your ass I’ll be using it in a couple weeks for that final pop on stage.

 

[Rido]

I got hit by insatiable appetite after about 6-7 weeks on deca.

As an example equipoise helps me eat less calories and feel more full on less calories. This goes to show how different we are.

I am a little scared to try EQ.

I couldn't stop eating on NPP 3 weeks in. My wife was horrified lol, thats why I started semaglutide to even it out.

in terms of libido, its stupid on NPP. I fucked my wife last night. blew my load on her back and jerked off 3 more times through the night.

maybe if I do try it, I will do the bold CYP route instead so I can bail if it sucks.

 

[steckdose0]

Gym bro: “This deca is making me hella watery.”

Me: “I just saw you eat an entire sheet cake in the gym parking lot…”

Poor deca, it’s done nothing wrong to deserve such treatment but here we are lol.

Anadrol is another example of a “bulker” or off-season drug that has merit in pre contest peaking. You bet your ass I’ll be using it in a couple weeks for that final pop on stage.

is that you in your avatar?

 

[Palifter]

is that you in your avatar?

That it is. That pic might be a week or two old. I lay out everything I’m doing leading into a show in 4 weeks if interested

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[lukiss96]

I am a little scared to try EQ.

maybe if I do try it, I will do the bold CYP route instead so I can bail if it sucks.

Yeah, from what I see it's like 80/20 hate/love ratio for equipoise. No compromise between, either you love it or hate.

in terms of libido, its stupid on NPP. I fucked my wife last night. blew my load on her back and jerked off 3 more times through the night.

You are making us jealous bro lol...

Libido atm is very good too on testosterone U + equipoise 300/400

Feeling horse like too, I used to visit horses and ride them as a kid and teen, so I know their energy. Very intense, powerful, strong, yet calm animals.

Sadly no girl to use that stamina right now... I hope to find someone soon.

Besides, once a week injection protocol rocks! (only one full syringe)

Getting back my old shape 230+ pounds 14-15% body fat.