You will be the same amount of "shutdown" on 200mg as you will be on 600mg a week. Shutdown is shutdown. The severity of shutdown doesn't exist, it's binary. Shutdown/not shutdown. It's been shown 600mg/week can be taken with no adverse side effects, above that is when the returns to dosage start to decrease and side effects increase. For me personally, I can run 500mg test a week with no consistent AI use and get no gyno symptoms at all. I can pop half an aromasin every week just to keep things in check and I'm good to go.
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Why is the cruise dosage 150-200mg/week? Why not cruise on 500-600mg a week?
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penche
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You may not have gyno symptoms but I bet your E2 is up there. Don't give me this bs I don't have gyno symtopms, post some labs to prove you don't need an AI on 500mg. Let's see if it's within range.
There's a difference between moderation and abuse...
There's a difference between moderation and abuse...
Let's get that to 2g of test with no AI. Then maybe I'll be impressed
D-Ballin
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Cost to benefit. If you cruise at 500, what do you blast at? Myostatin is a Bitch. You're throwing more money for the sane results, unless you're blasting over a gram of test plus other compounds anyway.
I don't scoff at the idea like some do. But most simply don't need it. Trukker and some of the other big boys do well with that. But I hit 8x on most ugl shit, and I don't weigh 280. For me, it's just more expenditure. I'm good at 250, and that's still too high for most. But it's a good balance between feeling great, holding gains, and not fucking up my bloodwork numbers.
There's more to the health aspect than not needing an AI also. Heart, RBC, and prostate issues most notably. Cruising like this requires monitoring.
I don't scoff at the idea like some do. But most simply don't need it. Trukker and some of the other big boys do well with that. But I hit 8x on most ugl shit, and I don't weigh 280. For me, it's just more expenditure. I'm good at 250, and that's still too high for most. But it's a good balance between feeling great, holding gains, and not fucking up my bloodwork numbers.
There's more to the health aspect than not needing an AI also. Heart, RBC, and prostate issues most notably. Cruising like this requires monitoring.
First off the title is a bit off...
A doctor prescribed dose of 150-200 is called TRT. That is replacing your natural production. Putting you back in normal range. That is the medical purpose.
The term cruise is just slang we use indicating we never come off. Alot of people who cruise are not originally in need of trt. They don't want to take a step back. Naturally a cruise is the first step in advancing ones goals. Then there's the other half of us who need need trt but prefer an aggressive dose ie: cruise.
Minus the very small few genetic elite who do not need drugs or just need a small amount can meet their goals with a trt dose and small cycles. These people are very few and far between. For the rest of us we need aggressive cycles and aggressive cruises to get to where we need to go.
Now the next step how to do it safely
RBC can be mitigated by giving blood. Every 56 days at a blood bank or a script for a blood dump at the docs. Checking your blood pressure is important. Taking ample time between blasts. Getting blood work pulled often. The higher the cruise the higher the risk.
Also understand genetics are a bitch. This goes for drug tolerance as well. Some will experience a host of sides and other none at all. On the same dose, same duration, same drugs. The differences person to person are dramatic. Some don't need an AI, some need lots. Some get gyno, sexual sides, high bp sides. On and on and on.
Ultimately you gotta live with your decision. I'm not going to encourage an abusive dose and I don't really care what people think of mine. I made my choice with the best knowledge I could find. In the end you are still rolling the dice. No promises
A doctor prescribed dose of 150-200 is called TRT. That is replacing your natural production. Putting you back in normal range. That is the medical purpose.
The term cruise is just slang we use indicating we never come off. Alot of people who cruise are not originally in need of trt. They don't want to take a step back. Naturally a cruise is the first step in advancing ones goals. Then there's the other half of us who need need trt but prefer an aggressive dose ie: cruise.
Minus the very small few genetic elite who do not need drugs or just need a small amount can meet their goals with a trt dose and small cycles. These people are very few and far between. For the rest of us we need aggressive cycles and aggressive cruises to get to where we need to go.
Now the next step how to do it safely
RBC can be mitigated by giving blood. Every 56 days at a blood bank or a script for a blood dump at the docs. Checking your blood pressure is important. Taking ample time between blasts. Getting blood work pulled often. The higher the cruise the higher the risk.
Also understand genetics are a bitch. This goes for drug tolerance as well. Some will experience a host of sides and other none at all. On the same dose, same duration, same drugs. The differences person to person are dramatic. Some don't need an AI, some need lots. Some get gyno, sexual sides, high bp sides. On and on and on.
Ultimately you gotta live with your decision. I'm not going to encourage an abusive dose and I don't really care what people think of mine. I made my choice with the best knowledge I could find. In the end you are still rolling the dice. No promises
penche
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I've been on blast n cruise for 9~10 months. I do need an AI but I'm glad my hemo and RBC stays within range. What do you cruise if you don't mind me asking Truk?
For me trt is a must. My nuts are ornaments like a Xmas tree. One side has a left varicocele and both nuts have hydrocele's. Basically I'm infertile and don't produce much natural T. I'm a lifer.
A cruise dose is simply the dose needed to maintain progress past your genetic potential. Most don't get far past it and thus need a low cruise dose not 500mg. Also, the more test you take the more health complications that can and will arise. Cholesterol, BP, HCT, etc.
Side effects go well beyond simply gyno and to be honest, gyno should be one of the least of your worries.
A lot of people do cruise on 600 mg test ew.
A lot of ppl don't need at all those kind of cruise dose. They just love to tell themself that they do because they are too scared to cruise at a healthy dose and lose their gainz. To ba they will not lose any gainz. They are not Ronnie Coleman. They are average joe that will hold on all their muscle with just. 150-200mg week max
TheQuest
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I agree but my cruise dose is 250mg.
Have you done bloodwork? What's your total test after 4-5 days of your pin?
Me on a 150mg a week had a total test of 1400!!! That's 200ng over the range. How much do you weight? What's your BF?
I bet my ass that you can hold
On your gainz on a much lower cruise dosage.
I'll decrease to 125 a week next time I cruise. No need of AI and will still be in the 1000-1200ng range.
You're argument about shutdown is irrelevant. People who blast and cruise already don't care about that. There is possible implications even with a legit trt dose of test. Very common for RBC to elevate some, even before I ever blasted, on a normal trt dose I ended up needing to donate some blood. Blood pressure gets slightly elevated as well, although I see more dramatic differences there with overall weight, which obvious increases with more use.
I usually cruise at normal trt doses, other times I cruise higher, but I just like to give my body a break, and hope that the lower doses provide that for me.
I usually cruise at normal trt doses, other times I cruise higher, but I just like to give my body a break, and hope that the lower doses provide that for me.
Ive experimented. I take bro lore with a grain of salt. If I ain't done it then it's all hearsay. Most of the time i find MY experience is different than OTHERS experience. Only about 2 yrs in to my experiment. My whole first year I cruised at 500mg a week. Currently I found a sweet spot at about 350mg test every week. Combined with a good program and more emphasis on off cycle time I am finding that I still make ample progress when I'm not blasting. I'm continually exceeding my goals I set and am more than happy with my progress.
TheQuest
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I agree but i not care. 250mg gives me good feeling and thats what its all about.
Because You are permablasting maybe
Nope. That's One of The most ignorant response I ever got.
There are side effects that you can't feel and then they will strike you badly all of a sudden.
Anyway the body is yours, I don't give a flying fuck
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