Will my test levels ever get back up?!

[Ronin_]

Hi guys, how was Christmas?

I finished a test only cycle with by the half lives all steroids out my system a month ago, and I got blood tests back after 3 weeks of clomid therapy...

My total test was 87, healthy normal is about 800...

Ive been using 100mg of Clomid ED for the last month..

My doc did a LH test, from that LH releasing hormone couldnt get my pituitary to release LH, basically he said it was asleep and still shut down..

What else can I do except keep pounding the Clomid??

My libido is ZERO and I need to take Viagra if I want to fuck!! Not good.

I'm wondering if my natural test has ever bounced back fully, as I have cycled 8 weeks on 8 weeks off for a long time, about 4 years

 

[Deacon]

clomid won't help at this point bro - get off of all gear period and just use protein - creatine etc for lifting.
In about two or three months your levels will come back - but you need to clean out your system.

This sucks I know but it is the result of taking to much juice with not enough off time between cycles.

I know because the same thing happened to me. It is tough to quit everything but natural supplements but you need to to get your system back to where it should be.

 

[jaysmithinwesson]

i saw same thing posted and other people suggested hcg. im not saying deacon is wrong but maybe that would help with test recovery.

 

[Ronin_]

Deacon did you get your levels tested and they came back OK??

I will be clean for a long time, until my levels are high again...

Suppression cant be permament??

 

[Phreezer]

Suppression cant be permament??

Probably not....

Did you or do you plan to use any HCG?

 

[Ronin_]

Probably not....

Did you or do you plan to use any HCG?

I did run some yes, 500IU for 10 days as usual with concurrent Clomid.

I def felt a test increase from that but after 10 days, when the test was done, it must have subsided as my LH output was basically zero, so my HPTA didnt pick up..

 

[Phreezer]

I did run some yes, 500IU for 10 days as usual with concurrent Clomid.

I def felt a test increase from that but after 10 days, when the test was done, it must have subsided as my LH output was basically zero, so my HPTA didnt pick up..

Hmmm, I have no idea what to advise you...This sounds like something you may want to discuss with swale..Why don't you drop down to the HRT forum Ronin and post something for the Good Doc?

 

[Ronin_]

Hmmm, I have no idea what to advise you...This sounds like something you may want to discuss with swale..Why don't you drop down to the HRT forum Ronin and post something for the Good Doc?

Yeah I think I'll do that bro, thanks for the help

 

[Josh]

I think nolva for an extended period of time is benificial for bringing test levels back up... Like 80mg for a month and ramp down... JMO -J

 

[Deacon]

IMO he can take all of the nolva , clomid, HCG he wants but from reading his first post I would say he needs to get off and stay off for an extended period of time.
The body can only take so many cycles and post cycles. You have reached that point bro.
When I had to step back and re-evaluate my need for time off my test levels came back to normal but as I said it took three or more months.

Are you on a cycle now bro?

If so try this when you come off. Try proviron for the last 3-4 weeks followed by HCG and clomid treatments as usual. Use 20 to 30 mgs of nolva per day with the HCG before clomid. Run the clomid 300 mgs the first day - 100 mgs for ten days - and then 50 for ten days. If you still do not feel recovered continue the clomid for an additional week or two. If this does not work then it is time for a lay off.

BTW run the HCG 1500 ius eod for one week - mon wed fri

this IMO is a overdone recovery cycle with more than you should need but in your case it sounds like you need something radical.

BTW did you wait enough time for the test you are running to clear your system before you started post treatment?

 

[Ronin_]

IMO he can take all of the nolva , clomid, HCG he wants but from reading his first post I would say he needs to get off and stay off for an extended period of time.
The body can only take so many cycles and post cycles. You have reached that point bro.
When I had to step back and re-evaluate my need for time off my test levels came back to normal but as I said it took three or more months.

Are you on a cycle now bro?

If so try this when you come off. Try proviron for the last 3-4 weeks followed by HCG and clomid treatments as usual. Use 20 to 30 mgs of nolva per day with the HCG before clomid. Run the clomid 300 mgs the first day - 100 mgs for ten days - and then 50 for ten days. If you still do not feel recovered continue the clomid for an additional week or two. If this does not work then it is time for a lay off.

BTW run the HCG 1500 ius eod for one week - mon wed fri

this IMO is a overdone recovery cycle with more than you should need but in your case it sounds like you need something radical.

BTW did you wait enough time for the test you are running to clear your system before you started post treatment?

Yeah going by a half life of 6 days for enanthate, I started the recovery when I had cleared.

I'm going to do the HCG again, higher dose EOD and carry on clomid and see from there.

I'm sure it'll bounce back fine in a month or two

 

[spookaroo]

Yeah going by a half life of 6 days for enanthate, I started the recovery when I had cleared.

I'm going to do the HCG again, higher dose EOD and carry on clomid and see from there.

I'm sure it'll bounce back fine in a month or two

I would stay away from HCG at this point and do clomid for a couple of months.
I would also try to hook up as suggested with Swale or somebody else qualified to help.

 

[betterthanu]

bro, if you're doctor can't help you, you think the knuckleheads on this board really know. stay with whatever your doctor says. good luck.

Better than U

 

[pits]

You can try maca, avena sativa, or tribulus. Other than that listen to the doc.

 

[Ronin_]

bro, if you're doctor can't help you, you think the knuckleheads on this board really know. stay with whatever your doctor says. good luck.

Better than U

I live in Europe, my endo had never heard of clomid or tamoxifen being used to increase LH FSH, so he is really only helpful to test what my levels are. Which to be fair he is very open about and has done the whole spectrum

 

[chris gordon]

hey ronin, i just saw some new data that suggests that nolva is way better than clomid for recovery as it increases sensitivity to the LH where clomid suppresses it, hit n4cer up, i think he had the link to the data

 

[Ronin_]

hey ronin, i just saw some new data that suggests that nolva is way better than clomid for recovery as it increases sensitivity to the LH where clomid suppresses it, hit n4cer up, i think he had the link to the data

Thanks for the heads up Chris, I have plenty of Nolvas extra, I'll pm N4cer. Thanks again

 

[moralanimal]

Hey Buddy,
Sorry to hear about that. I completely agree with Deacon. I had the same exact thing happen to me when I was 18 and some quack doctor prescribed me sublingual test and said I would need it forever. I opted to stay off and to be honest it took about 1 year and 8 months but it was worth it. I learned how to lift without juice and got my head together. If you shut it down you are very unlucky or were abusing. If staying off for a while to let your body get back to normal is a creating massive anxiety maybe there is a bigger problem. Ask yourself this- If green beans shut your system down, how many times would it take for you to stop eating them.

 

[hiramabiff]

Yeah I think I'll do that bro, thanks for the help

Hey bro I know what u mean indeed about suppressed T levels just as it was stated continue to remain totally anabolic free...for whatever time period necessary. Utilize proper training, take in creatine, glutamine, high protein, plenty of good fats...efa's and flax, lots of zinc and magnesium. You can also try the herb LongJack its seems to be very effective even more so than tribulus.

I would do it like this: Creatine - 15 grams a day. Upon waking: 5 grams
before working out 5 grams
after working out 5 grams

Glutamine- 15 grams post training
15 grams 1 hour later

You know the rest. Keep the nolva going etc.....

hiramabiff the giant killa