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Dale338

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Need to add a quick question about Clomid being in my system and starting my TRT self administered program. I've been taking Clomid for the better part of the past going on three years. Kept my levels between 650-750, but drops to 500 when I'm off for 30 days or more. I know my numbers are decent for a 50 year old man, but the sides associated with Clomid are killing me. I can't do it anymore. I just took my last dose of Clomid two days ago. Can I go ahead and start TRT injections? I plan to do a mini blast for about 10-12 weeks at about 300mg per week and monitor labs and then come back down to a therapeutic dose.

I know I'll get some crap here about starting TRT at 500 naturally, but that is just too low for me. I've ran every trial and error over the last three years here and managed to eek out a T-level around 700-800 during that time, but I've suffered other than my workouts being pretty good. The sides from Clomid are downright evil. I'm ready to be happy, feel good, gain some lean muscle, cruise and blast maybe once per year.

Also, after blasting, and then going back to a cruise level, what have some you felt? Is your libido still intact when causing after a blast?
 
I was at a level of 289ng/dl with great libido before trt. Now mid 700's at trough with no libido and ED issues.
Trt is not as great as I thought it would be.
Just some food for thought
Good luck!
 
Thanks guys. First injection going down tomorrow. My plan is to start with a single 150mg test C injection followed by twice weekly 60mg test. See how I feel. If I can get my hands on some damn HCG, I will do 200 IU's twice weekly. Can't seem to get anything other than off some veterinarian supply site. Tried ordering off reliablepharmacyrx, but their billing is screwed up. Don't trust it.

So I will start there and adjust dose by labs and how I feel. Bring in AL as needed. I'll cruise on this for maybe 4-6 months and then perhaps think of coming off, being down for a bit and seeing how I reset with Clomid.

So the plan might be called a mini cycle, lower dose T only. I just want to see how my body reacts and play it safe. No blasting for now, although I'm sure once I get my T levels up above 800 it's going to be tempting. But I'm in this for the long-haul.
 
Andrew Androgen said:
No truer words have ever been said!
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Poor Andrew Androgen didn't get a clear and definitive direct "thank you" from me, over a post a few weeks ago and he can't handle it. Still crying on the sofa with his box of tissues watching Oprah... as he can't get his T-levels high enough to feel like a man and not get his panties in a wad. Get real asshole, little baby! I'm on here seeking and giving help when I can. I tell me story as I know theres like thousands of men out caught in this in-between stage looking for a better life.

Me? I'm three weeks into my therapy and haven't felt better in ten years! I feel GREAT. Maybe you ought to quit playing around with the clomid, suck up and work through a few sides and challenges while you tweak your therapy and feel good again. It's a bit of a challenge but doable. If you can't do that, perhaps you should stay out places where you feel the need to attack and cry like the little baby you are right now.

Oh, and good job signing up for that other name, so you could ban wagon rip on me. What a joke bro. Get your balls fucking back before it's too late for you!!
 
lol. I only have one name here, pal.
Of course you feel great at the 3 week mark! Come back in 3 months and tell us how you're feeling. Probably about the same as you did before TRT. I bet a year from now you'll be feeling rat shit and be asking advice on how you can get off TRT!
 
I understand some people don't do well on TRT. Most do. I do know your stories, but perhaps you guys gave up too soon? The vast majority of stories I've read are from guys describing it as the best thing they've ever done. I understand there will be tweaking, highs and lows and many adjustments required over the years. But the same can be said of most bodybuilders abd athletes who use AAS, and lets face it, most do.

I've read both of your stories here, over time and I personally feel like you both gave it up too soon. You're not gonna get your T levels back to a place that makes you feel good. You're chasing a pipe dream. Clomid is just an evil medication and you'll see that once you clear it out of your system.
 
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Tyler81 said:
If 7 years is giving up too soon.... lol

If serms work I would stay on them but that's just me.

Good luck
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You were on TRT for 7 years? Or you have been trying to recover for 7 years? If it's the later, you're not gonna recover. You know this. You set sail across the ocean and there's no return. Your best bet is to go on TRT and get everything dialed in. What happened that made you quit? You're well versed in this area, far more than I. So it must have been some really bad shit for you to have quit.
 
Here are some things you need to get through your thick head:
99% of guys with low normal testosterone levels - even lower than yours, end up with a worse libido than they had initially after several/many months on TRT. Definitely after the first year, your libido is almost guaranteed to be lower than it was before.
It doesn't matter how you try to tweak it, or what TRT method you use, you will almost certainly feel worse than you did before.
Your need for ED meds will increase
Your orgasms will be weaker and feel less natural.
The longer you are on TRT the greater chance you have of developing adrenal and thyroid dysfunction.
Don't kid yourself that just because you're feeling great after 3 weeks (everyone does!), you will continue to feel great in the long term.
Higher testosterone levels DOES NOT mean a higher libido unless you have hypogonadism to begin with, which you do NOT!
 
Andrew Androgen said:
Here are some things you need to get through your thick head:
99% of guys with low normal testosterone levels - even lower than yours, end up with a worse libido than they had initially after several/many months on TRT. Definitely after the first year, your libido is almost guaranteed to be lower than it was before.
It doesn't matter how you try to tweak it, or what TRT method you use, you will almost certainly feel worse than you did before.
Your need for ED meds will increase
Your orgasms will be weaker and feel less natural.
The longer you are on TRT the greater chance you have of developing adrenal and thyroid dysfunction.
Don't kid yourself that just because you're feeling great after 3 weeks (everyone does!), you will continue to feel great in the long term.
Higher testosterone levels DOES NOT mean a higher libido unless you have hypogonadism to begin with, which you do NOT!
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While I respect your opinion and attempts at scaring some sense into me, I do not agree with your last post here. I believe this happens to some men going on TRT, but not the vast majority. I've read so much. I've studied hormones for the past two years. I read studies and literature every single day....And it is my firm belief that you have two choices when it comes to TRT. Self prescribe and monitor the hell out of yourself and find that sweet spot, or find a doctor who is willing to do so and has the skills to do so. I believe the vast majority of those who do not sustain massive benefits, are those who get a bottle of T and are sent home and told to come back in six months, or doctors who fail to monitor E and keep it in that sweet spot for their patients.

I believe you suffered as a result of not finding or being able to maintain your sweet spot. I have already had ups and down in this arena. Just in a month, I first crashed my E to below 5 and lost all libido and erections were dead. It's crept back up this week to around 20 and I'm once again having libido and random erections. So I know for myself, I will need to tweak things to keep it in that sweet spot.

If you follow so many stories, often people struggle for the first year, even two years. Until they get it right and many do not. They are lazy or not dedicated to feeling some pain before getting it right. I am dedicated to getting this right, at all costs. I will not fail. Failure is not an option for me.
 
Dale338 said:
You were on TRT for 7 years? Or you have been trying to recover for 7 years? If it's the later, you're not gonna recover. You know this. You set sail across the ocean and there's no return. Your best bet is to go on TRT and get everything dialed in. What happened that made you quit? You're well versed in this area, far more than I. So it must have been some really bad shit for you to have quit.
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It wasnt bad shit. It just wasnt that great.

Also I care about fertility so thats another factor.

I recovered fine with Beta Hcg and then SERMS .... complete recovery.
 
Tyler81 said:
It wasnt bad shit. It just wasnt that great.

Also I care about fertility so thats another factor.

I recovered fine with Beta Hcg and then SERMS .... complete recovery.
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Hey Tyler,

Are you still taking tamoxifen? Have you had any bloodwork lately?
 
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