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inkandmuscle VERY FIRST CYCLE!

Good call on getting those bloods done bro.
Can you tell us again what your cycle is?
I would call that E2 number good. Not sure about the liver numbers, some folks seem to blow off those numbers and just assume they will be high when running orals. I don;t run orals.
Test level is what I would expect from about 500mg a week. Deca and orals don't show up as test on bloodwork, usually.
 
Burrr said:
Good call on getting those bloods done bro.
Can you tell us again what your cycle is?
I would call that E2 number good. Not sure about the liver numbers, some folks seem to blow off those numbers and just assume they will be high when running orals. I don;t run orals.
Test level is what I would expect from about 500mg a week. Deca and orals don't show up as test on bloodwork, usually.
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well the test is up to 750 but from my reading apparently levels won't be at their highest by week 4..I'm researching all the other values on the test results now. E2 looks good though? that's good so now I know a good reference point for my adex dose, been running 1.5mg/wk split mon/wed/fri
 
As far as E2 goes, be on the lookout for symptoms, but if you don't have any then Id call it a good number.
Aren't you running deca and some orals too?
If it were me, I'd drop the deca now, and start thinking about everything I could do to make PCT easy.
 
Burrr said:
As far as E2 goes, be on the lookout for symptoms, but if you don't have any then Id call it a good number.
Aren't you running deca and some orals too?
If it were me, I'd drop the deca now, and start thinking about everything I could do to make PCT easy.
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good thing he isn't you. he wants big muscles, not scraunny girly muscles like you.
 
Burrr said:
As far as E2 goes, be on the lookout for symptoms, but if you don't have any then Id call it a good number.
Aren't you running deca and some orals too?
If it were me, I'd drop the deca now, and start thinking about everything I could do to make PCT easy.
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I'm running 500mg deca and just finished off my turinabol.. I'm gonna keep the deca in for now lol appreciate your concern burrr but you know how I am:rolleyes:
I will however be getting bloodwork pretty regularly and staying on top of my values.. for the e2 I've had no symptoms present yet I feel like a million bucks.. no itchy nips, libido is fine, full of energy etc.
 
I'd say your test is 52%, which is normal for GP. If you pinned week 4 before going in, they should be fairly reflective of your stable levels. I can't remember if you're using enath or cyp, makes no difference to the graph though. Actually if you pinned 1-2 days before your bloods, then 52% is a high level, as you can see by the graph as peek release is 1 day after, and it goes back down over the course of 3 days until you pin again.

If you didn't pin before going in (week 3, end of week was your last pin), then you can expect about a 4% gain, as shown by the graph for release time.

Your E2 levels look good.

http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=10&...terone&c0_f=enanthate&c0_s=3&c0_fr=1&c0_to=10
 
4leafclover said:
I'd say your test is 52%, which is normal for GP. If you pinned week 4 before going in, they should be fairly reflective of your stable levels. I can't remember if you're using enath or cyp, makes no difference to the graph though. Actually if you pinned 1-2 days before your bloods, then 52% is a high level, as you can see by the graph as peek release is 1 day after, and it goes back down over the course of 3 days until you pin again.

If you didn't pin before going in (week 3, end of week was your last pin), then you can expect about a 4% gain, as shown by the graph for release time.

Your E2 levels look good.

http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=10&...terone&c0_f=enanthate&c0_s=3&c0_fr=1&c0_to=10
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4leafclover said:
I'd say your test is 52%, which is normal for GP. If you pinned week 4 before going in, they should be fairly reflective of your stable levels. I can't remember if you're using enath or cyp, makes no difference to the graph though. Actually if you pinned 1-2 days before your bloods, then 52% is a high level, as you can see by the graph as peek release is 1 day after, and it goes back down over the course of 3 days until you pin again.

If you didn't pin before going in (week 3, end of week was your last pin), then you can expect about a 4% gain, as shown by the graph for release time.

Your E2 levels look good.

http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=10&...terone&c0_f=enanthate&c0_s=3&c0_fr=1&c0_to=10
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So what should I expect serum levels look like for properly dosed gear at 750mg/wk?... also at AST and ALT liver values are elevated (from turinabol) at what point do you worry about the values of these liver enzymes?
 
7500+ for 750 MG of test per week, using Dr. Scally's 10x rule of thumb. For 250 MG, the dose range is 2500-2800, so if the math holds, you should be between 7500-8400. So you are on 390 mg worth of test, maybe less, since that could either be the max range or low range of your test.

Someone else should comment on the liver values, because I don't worry about them, I only cycle one to two times per year, and I spend a lot longer off than I do on cycle (I do however run 18 week+ cycles). So I accept that I might do some liver damage running orals. I run liv support and milk thistle while on cycle and hope for the best long term, along with a slew of other pills (MSD, multi vitamin, fish oil and two other things I can't rem off the top of my head). I really like orals, as they are my favorite to both kick start a cycle and to use before going into pct. Never used turinabol, I use winstrol or dbol. With dbol being my favorite. Oh, I also use proviron, but I don't use it for any gains per se, I use it in PCT. I would use anavar but it's faked so much, that you are probably getting dbol anyways, so might as well pay less and just get dbol...
 
Ok guys for anyone who cares to know my first cycle has become my ONLY cycle.. By that I mean I am NOT comming off. Not looking for advice or bashing either just letting you guys know incase you're curious to see how this plays out....
All the gear im running as of now is from AY on ASF. My cycle is now as follows..
1.5g test e/wk
750mg deca/wk
750mg mast e/wk

Currently trying to settle on a source for GH but will be running HGH, slin, igf-1-lr3, cj1295w/DAC, ghrp6 very soon.
Will be getting bloods every 60 days indefinately..
Currently up from 214 to 251 from the start of my cycle and strength is through the roof.
Raw total is currently 1495lbs
Bench:415
Dead:585
Squat;495
Currently getting NASM certification and going to be competing powerlifting starting next year.

I understand the risks of my decision please don't "big brother me"
I intend to find out (for myself) how "dose dependant" gains actually are
I intend to become a FREAK.
I'll keep yall posted
 
Question for you ink, just out of curiosity, can you point me to the research you have done where you feel like TRT is the right choice for you? I would just like to read it or watch it.
 
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