That's so weird how your arms, chest an shoulders can be so affected by those big moves like that. Ive heard when they are preformed that it secretes natural growth hormone into the body. im not sure it this is true or not its just what I heard. lol
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MANWHORE
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If I trained Instinctively I would never train
The human body doesn't want to do anything
more than it has to, so it must be pushed..
Keeping a log is a very good practice.. I don't..
When training lighter, it's OK to push even
when not feeling like your muscles can handle it
or you're tired..
I am tired a lot before I get into my workout..
as soon as the blood pumps, I get the energy.. From the warmup
and just the look of my muscles pumped motivating me..
MANWHORE
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The burn.. lactic acid causes the most, but
we are not natural so it doesn't matter
lol This is true. I like to think of myself as a machine!!
fokai500
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Me too. The rush i feel after a heavy squat routine can only be compared to running 7 plus miles. I do the Smolov squat routine twice a year and between that time I still do squats 3x a week 2 heavy and 1 high rep.
Wow. Being a Pacific islander the men of my family are all 5'10 up 250lbs plus. Even at my bulking stage 220lbs I'm still the smallest by far. I don't let it bother me. for me being the most efficient is more important than size. I love being the smallest "big guy" in the gym. Continue what your doing and stay focus. Sometimes switch up heavy reps to high reps. Going to failure with light reps will also yield great results. Benching or squatting 225 for 30 reps I feel is more effective than doing 315 for 10.
At 5'7 I never had a girl shorter than me. For once I would love to have a shorty I didn't have have to tippie toe to get behind. Short hottie's ttend to like tall guys.
Ya I like switching my routine up all the time between heavy days an light days. I always go to failure no matter what im doing. Do you believe that this is bad on the body an I should not be doing that every set?
fokai500
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I'm balls out in my workouts. And I don't go every set to failure or even half of them. I save failure for my last lift of that body part. If I pushed every set to failure then I wouldn't have the juices to perform the next effectively. It all comes down to what works for you and what you truly give 100% too and see results. I'm 20 years in training and I still haven't figured what works for me.
Question is why do you go to failure on everything? Do you feel like it's needed or just like doing it?
MANWHORE
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all my hot girlfriends were shorter than me at 5'9"
The one in my job is 5'11" and I would marry her
Mongo
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I think the big three are critical for developing the coordination to continue exercising with less injuries. The compound movements really test your ancillaries and help gain an incredible amount of strength starting out. But like many pro bodybuilders theory, the compound movements don't work as well for contracting the entire muscle you are targeting. I think it really depends on what your goals are for training, dieting, and performance. The heavy compounds during a contest prep when you dry out and lose the extra fluids can be harmful for joints and tendons/ligaments.
For strength and athletic performance I think there is no way around it. For pure aesthetics and body building you could absolutely ditch traditional compound movements and look great. If you're like most people on this forum who want to be big and strong and look good, I think using them is the right answer.
I trained heavy focusing on the big 3 for years and saw incredible strength gains and muscular gains. But when I switched to a DogCrapp style training, the muscularity was much better for myself.
But at 202 lbs, I was stronger in all 3 lifts then I am now at 220. I train differently and don't worry about my lifts (not as much as I use to!).
69 in @ 202 lbs - 20 Y/O
BP 435
SQT 535
DL 535
69 in @ 220 lbs - 25 Y/O
BP 415
SQT 505
DL 495
For strength and athletic performance I think there is no way around it. For pure aesthetics and body building you could absolutely ditch traditional compound movements and look great. If you're like most people on this forum who want to be big and strong and look good, I think using them is the right answer.
I trained heavy focusing on the big 3 for years and saw incredible strength gains and muscular gains. But when I switched to a DogCrapp style training, the muscularity was much better for myself.
But at 202 lbs, I was stronger in all 3 lifts then I am now at 220. I train differently and don't worry about my lifts (not as much as I use to!).
69 in @ 202 lbs - 20 Y/O
BP 435
SQT 535
DL 535
69 in @ 220 lbs - 25 Y/O
BP 415
SQT 505
DL 495
Ya see im not as worried about being the strongest person in the world. I would rather look like I could bench press 800lbs than to actually be able to do it! LOL
BR1217
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That's pretty cool. I experienced a very similar decline in my core lifts when I switched from powerlifting workouts to bodybuilding workouts five years ago. My bodyweight went from 215 to 235 and my core lifts all went down. I guess this is to be expected as I no longer go below 6-8 reps on any lift. I am 40 now and was forced to stop powerlifting when I was 35 due to injuries. In the last five years I have torn my labrum in both shoulders, torn my rotator cuff in my right shoulder(impingement syndrome), and torn pec major in the left side (clavicular head only). Despite my injuries I have experienced a lot of muscle growth since transitioning from powerlifting to bodybuilding. I still do the 3 core lifts regularly just not anything of any weight.
Ya im not a very big guy like most so i really dont care about how much i can lift. Its not very much to begin with so my lifts are far from impresive. Im dealing with few injures that limit me from going crazy heavy anyways. What i have noticed though since i started going for the pump vs low reps an heavy weight is that ive been getting bigger. Thats exzactly what i have been going for all along. I still keep my big three as close to heavy as i can get. Nowadays i focus more on the pump with time under tension. Its keeping me injury free an building bigger at the same time. So i see it as a win win. Im going to keep doing what iam doing to see how far i can take it!!!
i feel like it is necissary in order to force more growth. i feel like if i dont go yo faliure than iam cheating myself out of a decent workout. Iam natty for now by the way an thats allot of the reason i do it.
Going to failure is completely unnecessary but if you enjoy it and are making progress keep at it.
Thanks an ya i like the feeling of going to complete failure. Its kind of my own way of getting a rush from it lol!
Mongo
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Kai Greene is a great example of time under tension with very high volume and the entire muscle belly contraction for optimal growth. Then you had Ronnie Coleman who could lift as heavy as possible with less volume then most pros and achieve insane muscularity.
Two of the biggest in the sport of all time (280 Greene on stage, 285 coleman). Any technique can work, just find the one that works best for you!
Two of the biggest in the sport of all time (280 Greene on stage, 285 coleman). Any technique can work, just find the one that works best for you!
That's whit im talking about brother. Those are my all time favorites in the BB world. They are beasts an two of my favorite idols. Until I start cycling im going to keep it not to heavy an crazy with the weight so I don't injure myself. all that will do is set me back further on reaching my goal weight. When I start cycling I will be going as heavy as possible for as many reps as I can crank out each time. I will only be allowing myself 30 seconds or less in between sets depending on how I feel for the duration of all my workouts.
Blacken
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I think compounds are a must you need to have a solid foundation and once you have a solid foundation you need to maintain it, a house can't last on a weak foundation.
If you are talking purely for muscle size I know an IFBB pro at my gym that I rarely ever see do compound movements other than some tbar rows with light weight, and HS machines. he ranges at 280-320lbs depending on competition. I've met Victor martinez before and this guy makes him look small. I however don't see him ever going to the Mr.O do to a huge GH gut however that detracts from symmetry.
Point is I guess you don't need compounds to grow but why would you not want to do them.
If you are talking purely for muscle size I know an IFBB pro at my gym that I rarely ever see do compound movements other than some tbar rows with light weight, and HS machines. he ranges at 280-320lbs depending on competition. I've met Victor martinez before and this guy makes him look small. I however don't see him ever going to the Mr.O do to a huge GH gut however that detracts from symmetry.
Point is I guess you don't need compounds to grow but why would you not want to do them.
