I sent him an email with links to these threads so we'll wait and see what he does from here...
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Iv gear?
- Thread starter BigShadow
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Wtf? I start this thread asking a simple question and boom it blows into a cluster fuck. I ask a simple question on whether or not anyone had used them and then the shills and newbs come out of the wood work to starting begging to get in, talking ta times, email addys posted. Seriously wtf is wrong with some of u stooges? I learned a valuable lesson. Next time I pm a brother.
dmt31
New Member
... You're looking at it the wrong way. That is the point of the Underground. We hear about a source, post about it, get info, and figure out how to proceed. Without your post, I never think to use IV, I never make an order, I never labmax his stuff, and we never know it's not what he's advertising it to be... You did a good job brother...
Mr. Deltoid
New Member
I think Big Shadow is talking about that fkn idiot bigtymer and his tweaked out antics not you Dmt.
dmt31
New Member
I know... but who cares in reality? so what, bigtymer jumped out the window for who's knows what reason, but in the end a lot of good came from his post, he should be proud of that.
Hello brothers,
This is my first post on meso-rx. I wish it did not have to be about this but such is life. In regards to the lab max results on our products let me first say as I told DMT31 in an email I sent him, that I am glad you guys lab max our products as well as others. Lab max tests are like home pregnancy kits, not the best indicator as there is room for error but still the best available since srcs went down. In my post here Im not going to yell, scream, accuse anybody of any agendas, of being affiliated with other sources trying to hurt our business or any negative actions of any kind. I have come here to make this one post to simply offer our side and allow members to make their own judgments.
In regards to out masteron not being the propionate ester but the enanthate ester and the test enanthate being cypionate, we have never intentionally mislabeled anything ever in our 12 years in business. if indeed the lab max test is correct then our supplier sent us mis labeled product. A question we have already emailed then about in regards to this result.
If we were truly intent on doing anything other than providing a good product the results would not show masteron but some other cheap product. masteron, tren, anavar etc are some of the more expensive products to produce so it would make sense for a person with the intent to deceive to alter these products. Same with the test enanthate. Cypionate and enanthate cost the exact same amount to produce and are always readily available so logically what is our motivation to replace one with another? We don't have one. I will say that we have randomly at times tested the products we receive from our suppliers as we have more than 1 and sometimes the color hue was slightly off or not dark enough etc. So we came back with the results that lab maxes are inconclusive. testosterone enanthate comes in both a waxy block and grainy powder where cypionate comes in a floury powder and sometimes a grainy one so generally when we get enanthate in a grainy powder we do not question it. Could it have been cypionate in this last batch? its possible, we are not denying this as we do not test every single batch we get in. At some point there has to be a level of trust with your supplier until that is shown to be broken.
As a matter of fact there are several members here who have done business with us for years that will or hopefully come forward to verify that we don't always have every product in stock at all times. Many times we truthfully tell customers that we don't have items. Scammers or labs that are looking to scam generally have every product in at all times. And supply never runs out. that is not the case with us. We turn people away or allow them to reserve stock but tell them the time frame for delivery because we don't have product in.
There is a member here rogert208, who told us weeks ago that members here were going to do lab max testing on our products. I told him in an email that I was fine and was confident that our products would turn out fine because we have no intent to decieve and we put what we have on the label inside the bottle. I was not nervous, didn't try to get any members to not labmax anything for fear of exposure. I was confident our products would pass.
We take great pride in our product and go out of our way to help our customers and provide a great service. if there is indeed an issue with what we are being sent we are glad it was brought out so we can fix it. Ask any customer of ours if there is ever an issue we always go out of our way to fix it as we want satisfied customers not dis-satisfied ones. We have always said it makes no sense to be deceitful when you can just do it legit and be more prosperous in the long run. We want your business, we want your repeat business and we want you to have a good experience with iso-vet products. if any customer is unhappy we will gladly do what we can to fix the issue.
We do not run and hide from issues we correct them but please know there is no intent on our to decieve anybody of anything at anytime especially over small orders of 100 or 200.00. We would not risk our decade + reputation on 200.00 or even 2000.
I have known meso since this was an open source board and used the old cold fusion board format. I have been around a very long time. I know there are many members here with many different personalities and some will choose to read and listen and others will simply yell, scream, call us names etc. We get this, its part of the business. We accept that. We simply came here to address this issue and explain from our side.
We appreciate the business that we have gotten from some of the members here. if you choose to continue we will gladly do what we can to help, if not we understand and wish you the best in the future. If any member here wished to discuss this further they can email me and I will answer any questions you have and help you anyway I can. if there are any issues I will also do what I can to resolve them and make any unsatisified customer satisfied. thank you again
This is my first post on meso-rx. I wish it did not have to be about this but such is life. In regards to the lab max results on our products let me first say as I told DMT31 in an email I sent him, that I am glad you guys lab max our products as well as others. Lab max tests are like home pregnancy kits, not the best indicator as there is room for error but still the best available since srcs went down. In my post here Im not going to yell, scream, accuse anybody of any agendas, of being affiliated with other sources trying to hurt our business or any negative actions of any kind. I have come here to make this one post to simply offer our side and allow members to make their own judgments.
In regards to out masteron not being the propionate ester but the enanthate ester and the test enanthate being cypionate, we have never intentionally mislabeled anything ever in our 12 years in business. if indeed the lab max test is correct then our supplier sent us mis labeled product. A question we have already emailed then about in regards to this result.
If we were truly intent on doing anything other than providing a good product the results would not show masteron but some other cheap product. masteron, tren, anavar etc are some of the more expensive products to produce so it would make sense for a person with the intent to deceive to alter these products. Same with the test enanthate. Cypionate and enanthate cost the exact same amount to produce and are always readily available so logically what is our motivation to replace one with another? We don't have one. I will say that we have randomly at times tested the products we receive from our suppliers as we have more than 1 and sometimes the color hue was slightly off or not dark enough etc. So we came back with the results that lab maxes are inconclusive. testosterone enanthate comes in both a waxy block and grainy powder where cypionate comes in a floury powder and sometimes a grainy one so generally when we get enanthate in a grainy powder we do not question it. Could it have been cypionate in this last batch? its possible, we are not denying this as we do not test every single batch we get in. At some point there has to be a level of trust with your supplier until that is shown to be broken.
As a matter of fact there are several members here who have done business with us for years that will or hopefully come forward to verify that we don't always have every product in stock at all times. Many times we truthfully tell customers that we don't have items. Scammers or labs that are looking to scam generally have every product in at all times. And supply never runs out. that is not the case with us. We turn people away or allow them to reserve stock but tell them the time frame for delivery because we don't have product in.
There is a member here rogert208, who told us weeks ago that members here were going to do lab max testing on our products. I told him in an email that I was fine and was confident that our products would turn out fine because we have no intent to decieve and we put what we have on the label inside the bottle. I was not nervous, didn't try to get any members to not labmax anything for fear of exposure. I was confident our products would pass.
We take great pride in our product and go out of our way to help our customers and provide a great service. if there is indeed an issue with what we are being sent we are glad it was brought out so we can fix it. Ask any customer of ours if there is ever an issue we always go out of our way to fix it as we want satisfied customers not dis-satisfied ones. We have always said it makes no sense to be deceitful when you can just do it legit and be more prosperous in the long run. We want your business, we want your repeat business and we want you to have a good experience with iso-vet products. if any customer is unhappy we will gladly do what we can to fix the issue.
We do not run and hide from issues we correct them but please know there is no intent on our to decieve anybody of anything at anytime especially over small orders of 100 or 200.00. We would not risk our decade + reputation on 200.00 or even 2000.
I have known meso since this was an open source board and used the old cold fusion board format. I have been around a very long time. I know there are many members here with many different personalities and some will choose to read and listen and others will simply yell, scream, call us names etc. We get this, its part of the business. We accept that. We simply came here to address this issue and explain from our side.
We appreciate the business that we have gotten from some of the members here. if you choose to continue we will gladly do what we can to help, if not we understand and wish you the best in the future. If any member here wished to discuss this further they can email me and I will answer any questions you have and help you anyway I can. if there are any issues I will also do what I can to resolve them and make any unsatisified customer satisfied. thank you again
OdieM
Banned
I appreciate you coming here to clear things up. Just so you know, the member that performed the labmax has nothing to gain by testing your gear. It actually took his money and time to test it. We are not looking to prove a source is a scammer. We are looking to find a legit source.( which are rare ). By the way, we have seen our fair share of sources that's been it the game a decade fall around here.
yes brother you are 100% correct. Sources go bad all the time. In the end its still the internet, you are still dealing with illegal drugs and that always invites the wrong people, or people who get mixed up in bad situations in real life and let it affect this. its a shame but it will always be this way. its just the nature of the business that this is. I would like to be the source you guys can trust. Im sorry that this didn't go as good as it should have first but it has at least altered me that there is something wrong and an issue that we will address and get fixed. So in the end we appreciate the lab max test.
Hopefully DMT31 will confirm this but as I want all customers to be satisfied, I have offered to refund his money, send him new batches of product when they are made or send him something different off our list.
In the end we run this like any professional business. the customer is always right. So whatever we can do to make it right to him is what we will do and hopefully whatever he decides he will post that it was taken care of.
OdieM
Banned
Well your off to a better start then most other sources. But, you should be at lest labmaxing your own product before you send it out. We are putting this stuff in our bodies.
I believe you. I don't think that you switched the labels around. Why would you? I believe your distributor probably screwed up, but that's even more reason you should be testing it before you slap a label on it
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We have used the lab max on our supplies in past randomly and they have always come out more or less what they should. Like you guys sometimes the color hue was off a little but we have always chalked it up to being a kit that's like a home pregnancy test. its crude but it get the job done ok. As i said there has to be a level of trust built somewhere until its broken. Up until now we never really any reason to doubt our supplier but like you said they do come from another country and who knows what they do all the time. We will continue to do random tests and we have emailed our supplier that we got the masteron and enanthate from to ask their response to it. We have more than 1 supplier so if in fact it did turn out to be a mistake from him we will have him correct it or move on.
dmt31
New Member
So for my part:
@ivgear emailed me this morning, and we've had a pleasant back and forth. I had made a very small order but he has been very helpful and upfront with me about everything. He has offered me a refund which I accepted and I respect him for that. I don't have much more to add to this topic, hopefully the issue with the raws can get sorted out and I'd be more than happy to place an order with him for my spring cycle. I respect people who do business the right way
@ivgear emailed me this morning, and we've had a pleasant back and forth. I had made a very small order but he has been very helpful and upfront with me about everything. He has offered me a refund which I accepted and I respect him for that. I don't have much more to add to this topic, hopefully the issue with the raws can get sorted out and I'd be more than happy to place an order with him for my spring cycle. I respect people who do business the right way
Props to IV for coming on here and addressing the issue. But from what I've seen, labmax test are very conclusive. Not perfect...,.but a very good indicator of the product.
Hey Guys, an actual meaningful and constructive conversation with a source! This is the example I hope we will continue to see. No actual pimping for sales, but addressing issues and concerns of the members. Don't have a clue as to where this may end up, but it's a start in the right direction.
DirtyRandy
New Member
I'm no expert with labmax, but the color should be pretty distinct if it is correct. Like the labmax of the ultimate test e someone did was very obviously a pass due to the color and glow all around. Moat labmaxs I have seen recently have barely any glow to basically nothing. It doesn't make sence to me that an underdosed vial would glow the same as a properly dosed one.
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If you plan to continue selling to a lot of meso members, I recommend you begin testing more than just randomly, and with a more quantitative method than labmax. It's a near certainty that EVERY batch you brew will end up labmax tested by someone on meso, and an absolute certainty that some of your products will be HPLC tested regularly. In effect, your customers are going to know a lot more about the quality of your products than you.
I have been told by long time members that you and some other sources have access to high quality raw suppliers new/public sources have no hope of ever using. Maybe this is true, and because of that you have no need for comprehensive validation of your raws. But you should understand, the testing procedures you have described do not even meet the minimum standards of the last source to try to open on meso. A source we encouraged to leave.
Mr. Deltoid
New Member
Glad to see that Iv cared enough to come here to address problems with Dmt's labmax. He seems to have the right attitude and is very professional. I do believe he should test more often though hopefully this might push him in that direction. I can't wait to see some bloods I have high hopes for this source his prices are great I'm planning on running some of his deca,mast and dbol this spring if the bottom doesn't fall out. Fingers crossed.
msmith22
New Member
I don't post much but hats off to Iv for coming and posting, he could have stayed away and handled this but he didn't , haven't ever shopped with him or anything but as a source he earned my respect thru his action and definitely would like to see them test their raws too
dmt31
New Member
Yeah I was very surprised. As an example of the opposite, I made a 300 or so dollar order of various ancillaries and orals from my AP reseller about 3 weeks ago. His T/A is usually 6 days door to door. I got the tracking, and the tracking hasn't changed since it said the package was accepted to the post office in the country he is sending it from.... I've been in touch with him about it, and he seems to be very reluctant to help me with anything more than "It's on the way, I don't know what to tell you and I don't know why it hasn't updated", and this is concerning to me. I have ordered 5 times from this guy, this being by far my smallest order, so I'm not some idiot trying to reverse scam him, and he knows that very well. So am I just out the order I made because I'm holding him accountable?
I tell this story to show how some sources deal with things, and how other's deal with issues in different ways. IV could have easily just told me to go fuck myself, but he didn't. He gave me the option to have all my money back, get new gear, or get different gear that I hadn't originally got. I chose the money back because I have spent a shitload of money on gear recently along with bloodwork and labmax kits, and I felt like I deserved to recoup some of my expenditure, which he completely understood and was fine with. THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD EXPECT OUR SOURCES TO BE, LIKE A FUCKING PROFESSIONAL, NOT SOME FUCKBOY LIKE ASTRO OR THE LIKE. The guy took responsibility and is making it right, Period. I have no doubt in my mind, IV will address this issue with his source and they will have my QC on their product, and I'll be more than happy to place an order with them for my spring cycle. This isn't even about the pricing. I would gladly pay more, and I have, as we all have. It's just doing right by us, the people who keep these guys in business. It's nice to see a guy who gets it.
