The Perfect Form for Lifts

Ozzy619

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Getting the perfect form is something that takes time, especially when you have developed bad habits. A good form will not only prevent injuries, but help you gain strength and stability. For me, I have a terrible form in the squat department. Lets see some links or your explanations for getting the perfect form for lifts. I personally would really like to see opinions about squats and deadlifts.
 
Squats:

Feet generally slightly wider than shoulder width apart or more depending on you you want to squat. Bar sits on the spine if the scapula for low bar or up by your traps for high bar. Use the thumbless or thumbs over the bar grip and keep wrists straight and elbows back. Hands should be as close together as possible to help with back tightness. When you begin the descent you want to basically stick your ass out and back. Not just down. Knees in line with the toes and always think to yourself as a cue: knees out. Parallel is where the crease in your shorts at the hip is below the top of the knee. At the bottom the knees should be around your toes or slightly further out depending on your torso. Low bar squat will require a more horizontal back position which helps lengthen the hamstring since it's attached at the knee and pelvis. Lengthening the hamstring will add more tension to it, allow a greater stretch reflex at the bottom, and also recruit the posterior chain to do more work. If you do high bar squat you'll use more quadriceps and less hamstrings while maintaining a slightly more vertical back angle.

To come up, imagine someone put a hook in your low back right above your ass crack and tied a chain to it. Imagine the person lifting up on the chain. That's hip drive or hips up the first movement on the way up. Back angle will remain the same while knee angle opens up by driving hips up. When you start to come back up then your back angle will begin to open up. Chest should be up throughout the whole movement. Do the Valsalva maneuver for breathing. Good lifting shoes will give you a small heel if you need it but will also have a non compressible heel and a strap to keep the foot secure throughout.
 
Practicing lifts you want to get more adept at is the best advice I can give for someone who wants to become very good at certain movements. If squat is an issue, start squatting more frequently, while being mindful of good form.

Mobility is one of the biggest reasons guys aren't comfortable at movements like front squat for example that might require more athleticism than the usual lifts. I'm sure the same is true for high bar back squat.

Making sure you are loose and mobile, and capable of getting into athletic positions easily is going to help out with form.

As for specific form on certain lifts, some guys dogmatically believe that bottoming out and maxing range on every single movement is going to give better results, but this can't be applied to every lift.

For some lifts its simply not necessary, assuming your goals are bodybuilding / strength, like weighted dips for example.
 
Excellent posts @weighted chinup its hard to admit it but I agree the squat takes a great deal of athleticism and its very easy to cheat on. Ill take this advice and be more mindful when doing them. I do also need some better shoes, preferablly the romaleos.

That is a good idea, I ordered the romaleos a couple days ago. I'm definitely looking forward to being able to squat in some proper shoes once they arrive.

Placing a 5lb plate underneath your heel when squatting works pretty good too, that is what I have been doing so far, but I'm sure proper shoes would be even better.
 
If you you're a beginner you can get some great information and advice about how to execute the squat and deadlift with perfect form from many different sources.

If you're solid on the basics, IME the best approach is to learn how to listen to your body, developing a mind body connection with how you best move the weight.

Here's a few things I personally keep in mind when working on my setup, technique, and execution of the squat and deadlift.

Back Squat (low bar):

- Bar placement

Where on my back does the bar feel the most secure, while allowing me to execute the lift with the desired technical form? Having the bar placed just a little too high, creates a tendency for flexation when the weight is near or at maximal loads. Place a little too low and it feels like its going to slip of my back. If placed just right, I'm able to push maximal loads with little to no form breakdown.

- Foot placement

How wide should I place my feet to ease the transition to proper depth while providing a solid foundation to push from? I have recently changed my feet width to just outside the shoulder. I used to squat with a slightly wider stance but after some experimenting, I found a better foot placement to meet my needs. I easily get rock bottom depth and I'm able to explode out of the hole.

- Decent

I initiate my descent with both my hips and knees simultaneously. Most beginners are taught to push back with their butts. I did the very same thing when I first started but learned this wasn't the best for me. IME, pushing the hips back promotes a forward push when coming out of the hole, which gets the weight forward and creates a tougher lift. When under maximal loads, you want to be efficient, not create more work for yourself, not to mention increased risk of injury.

-Chest up

I have to constantly remind myself to keep my chest up and not let the weight push me down, creating a slight and subtle hunch. IME, this cue is most important entering and exiting the hole. It keeps my center of mass centered and balanced, allowing me to set up and execute the explosion out of the bottom. IMO, it is the center piece to a well executed lift - do not overlook it.

If all the above is on point, I should be able to execute a near perfect squat - confident decent speed and solid posture, easily hitting depth and exploding to the top, without pitching forward and without flexation.

Deadlift (conventional):

- Foot placement

In this case it relates to the distance from your body, more specifically your shins. IMO/E, this is the most important aspect to the deadlift because it can make or break you - literally.

Being too far away or being too close to the bar can create inefficient bar paths. As you near maximal loads or become fatigued, this inefficiency will readily exploit weak points that could lead to injury.

A great way to determine your bar placement is to document what direction the weight first moves when you initiate the lift. If it moves away from you, you're too close. If it moves towards you, you're too far way. Your goal is to determine the correct distance from the bar, for the weight to move straight up.

-Body placement

How do I position myself for the best force production while staying safe? I like to get my body right over bar, placing my shoulders in front of the bar and high hips, locking my lower back. I don't squat the weight. I envision the movement as straightening of a bent line. Unfolding. Standing up.

I see a lot of people in gym trying to break inertia by squatting down and essentially sitting behind the bar. What happens is their butt shoot up, the weight pulls them forward, and then they're able to complete the lift. IMO, this method is so completely inefficient and a huge waste of resources. I find it interesting how the weight shows them exactly where they need to be yet they fail to recognize it.

My point is, if you listen to your body in relation to the weight and document it with video, you'll be able to identify your individual set up that will put you in a great position to be strong and healthy while performing the deadlift.

Its really late for me so I hope this makes sense and assists you in some way shape or form.
 
Coach's Eye App

Video analysis of yourself is the best and fastest way to perfect form if you do not have a legit strength coach.

I practically taught myself to Olympic Lift with a catapulting style.
 
Coach's Eye App

Video analysis of yourself is the best and fastest way to perfect form if you do not have a legit strength coach.

I practically taught myself to Olympic Lift with a catapulting style.

Thats pretty bad ass, had no idea this existed. Ive been using the 5lb plates too but I feel too restricted using them. Let me know how you like the new kicks.
 
If you you're a beginner you can get some great information and advice about how to execute the squat and deadlift with perfect form from many different sources.

If you're solid on the basics, IME the best approach is to learn how to listen to your body, developing a mind body connection with how you best move the weight.

Here's a few things I personally keep in mind when working on my setup, technique, and execution of the squat and deadlift.

Back Squat (low bar):

- Bar placement

Where on my back does the bar feel the most secure, while allowing me to execute the lift with the desired technical form? Having the bar placed just a little too high, creates a tendency for flexation when the weight is near or at maximal loads. Place a little too low and it feels like its going to slip of my back. If placed just right, I'm able to push maximal loads with little to no form breakdown.

- Foot placement

How wide should I place my feet to ease the transition to proper depth while providing a solid foundation to push from? I have recently changed my feet width to just outside the shoulder. I used to squat with a slightly wider stance but after some experimenting, I found a better foot placement to meet my needs. I easily get rock bottom depth and I'm able to explode out of the hole.

- Decent

I initiate my descent with both my hips and knees simultaneously. Most beginners are taught to push back with their butts. I did the very same thing when I first started but learned this wasn't the best for me. IME, pushing the hips back promotes a forward push when coming out of the hole, which gets the weight forward and creates a tougher lift. When under maximal loads, you want to be efficient, not create more work for yourself, not to mention increased risk of injury.

-Chest up

I have to constantly remind myself to keep my chest up and not let the weight push me down, creating a slight and subtle hunch. IME, this cue is most important entering and exiting the hole. It keeps my center of mass centered and balanced, allowing me to set up and execute the explosion out of the bottom. IMO, it is the center piece to a well executed lift - do not overlook it.

If all the above is on point, I should be able to execute a near perfect squat - confident decent speed and solid posture, easily hitting depth and exploding to the top, without pitching forward and without flexation.

Deadlift (conventional):

- Foot placement

In this case it relates to the distance from your body, more specifically your shins. IMO/E, this is the most important aspect to the deadlift because it can make or break you - literally.

Being too far away or being too close to the bar can create inefficient bar paths. As you near maximal loads or become fatigued, this inefficiency will readily exploit weak points that could lead to injury.

A great way to determine your bar placement is to document what direction the weight first moves when you initiate the lift. If it moves away from you, you're too close. If it moves towards you, you're too far way. Your goal is to determine the correct distance from the bar, for the weight to move straight up.

-Body placement

How do I position myself for the best force production while staying safe? I like to get my body right over bar, placing my shoulders in front of the bar and high hips, locking my lower back. I don't squat the weight. I envision the movement as straightening of a bent line. Unfolding. Standing up.

I see a lot of people in gym trying to break inertia by squatting down and essentially sitting behind the bar. What happens is their butt shoot up, the weight pulls them forward, and then they're able to complete the lift. IMO, this method is so completely inefficient and a huge waste of resources. I find it interesting how the weight shows them exactly where they need to be yet they fail to recognize it.

My point is, if you listen to your body in relation to the weight and document it with video, you'll be able to identify your individual set up that will put you in a great position to be strong and healthy while performing the deadlift.

Its really late for me so I hope this makes sense and assists you in some way shape or form.

Excellent post and solid advice. I really like your analogy of straightening of a bent line. Ive been doing lighter squats to get a more natural feel. Hopefully this will help.
 
Thats pretty bad ass, had no idea this existed. Ive been using the 5lb plates too but I feel too restricted using them. Let me know how you like the new kicks.
Coach's eye is the shit. You got slow mo, drawing, frame by frame time, side by side multiple video analysis, etc. Don't get to anal with it unless you want your workouts to last hours. Just film 2-3 good lifts and from that try to cue yourself on 1-2 bad moves/habits. Do not try to fix everything in one session.

Shoes are great. The new 2nd version has more flexible forefoot for the split jerk. I think that also helps if your doing other athletic exercises like box jumps.
 
Coach's eye is the shit. You got slow mo, drawing, frame by frame time, side by side multiple video analysis, etc. Don't get to anal with it unless you want your workouts to last hours. Just film 2-3 good lifts and from that try to cue yourself on 1-2 bad moves/habits. Do not try to fix everything in one session.

Shoes are great. The new 2nd version has more flexible forefoot for the split jerk. I think that also helps if your doing other athletic exercises like box jumps.

Cool man, thanks for the input.
 
Squats are so hard to get down correctly. I have a long torso which makes squatting difficult to do with good form. I got the adipower weightlifting shoes for Christmas and they have worked wonders. Wearing them I can lift more since my feet are more stable and I can also get deeper when doing them.
For most beginners I also reccomend reading "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippitoe. It goes into detail about good form with compound lifts.
 
Squats are so hard to get down correctly. I have a long torso which makes squatting difficult to do with good form. I got the adipower weightlifting shoes for Christmas and they have worked wonders. Wearing them I can lift more since my feet are more stable and I can also get deeper when doing them.
For most beginners I also reccomend reading "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippitoe. It goes into detail about good form with compound lifts.
I have long legs which make squats and deads harder along with long arms.
 
@Ozzy619

Overhead squat for hip mobility. Start light. Don't go heavy on anything before your form (your specific body/anatomy driven form - cuz it will be different for everybody) is airtight.

Personally I static stretch my worked muscle groups after the last set so for squats - ham, quad, glutes, calves. Achilles/ankle flexibility is crucial for an effective squat IMO
 
For squats especially I think you need an experienced user monitoring how you progress etc. I have found videos helpful but not enough to make it perfect. Only applies if you have real problem with it anyway. High reps can also help technique but once you go heavy you better know for a fact your form is good otherwise it coule be trouble coming. Other exercises I have found guides help enough with, also sometimes cheating on form can be helpful but it's an advanced work ethic.
 
@Ozzy619

Overhead squat for hip mobility. Start light. Don't go heavy on anything before your form (your specific body/anatomy driven form - cuz it will be different for everybody) is airtight.

Personally I static stretch my worked muscle groups after the last set so for squats - ham, quad, glutes, calves. Achilles/ankle flexibility is crucial for an effective squat IMO

Damn, that overhead squat looks intimidating. I just watched a tutorial on itsnt that what I see crossfitters doing?
 
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