[HPLC/MS] AP Test E + NPP

[I_know_nothing]

People learn best by doing for themselves that which is possible, so GOOGLE IT and prove your naysayer mantra is worthy of any additional effort on my or anyone else's behalf, bc otherwise I guess your SOL!

Dr. Jim I've been reading through articles scally has posted and have been googling...I cannot find the clinical study you have mentioned.you cannot say that i have not done anything- I provide a graph a member pointed out my flaw and I went back and re-read it and reaffirmed that flaw. Then I looked into another study.

Please provide the clinical study dr.jim

 

[Burrr]

Please provide the clinical study dr.jim

There is no study to support this.

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea I've seen lab reports identical to yours posted throughout the net, lol! 48 hours post injection of WHAT!

 

[Dr JIM]

There is no study to support this.

Like you would know Burr, LMAO!

 

[Burrr]

I googled it man!

 

[jackmeoff1]

Here are my first bloods from around when I first started TRT. Again this is with APS pharmacy. I posted pics of the bottle and the dose on the bottle above. I can not post the script itself because it has my personal infor plastered all over it. If you think that is a UGL bottle you are probably demented.

Bloods taken 48 hours post injection.

 

[I_know_nothing]

I think what Jim means by clinical studies is that the 10x number is what Dr Scally was used to seeing from men on AAS or TRT.
Here's a couple links, one to the thread covering this subject, and another to the clinical study showing levels at the 7 day mark relative to dose.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/math-question-about-test-and-blood-levels.134356260/

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172

Thanks for your response brother . I have read both of those and I actually provided a graph earlier that was made from that second link you sent. If clinical studies = what scally has seen in his clinic, then no that's not a clinical study at all.

 

[Burrr]

how many weeks after you started trt, and at what dose. quit jerkin us off man.

 

[jackmeoff1]

how many weeks after you started trt, and at what dose. quit jerkin us off man.

This was 12 weeks on TRT @ 200 mg/wk. 600 IU HCG and 1 mg of Adex per week. Bloods taken at 48 hours post injection. Honestly, it was 2 mornting after injection (I inject in the morning). Could have been 46 hours, could have been 50 hours, but you get the picture.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Let me guess, they are fake bloods, APS is underdosed, my doctor is fake, I am some freak outlier or insert whatever other excuse you can think of to cling to your dogma.

I have no agenda. I am on other boards and currently seeking a solid UGL to replace my TRT clinic with.

 

[I_know_nothing]

There is no study to support this.

Thank you burrr, that's exactly what I was thinking. Burden of proof is on @Dr JIM to provide the study not for me to find it.

If I said the tooth fairy doesnt exist and you say it does- who has the burden of proof? Me finding something that doesn't exist or you finding something that does? What do you think brother?

 

[jackmeoff1]

Thanks for your response brother . I have read both of those and I actually provided a graph earlier that was made from that second link you sent. If clinical studies = what scally has seen in his clinic, then no that's not a clinical study at all.

Not only that but I have to question his credibility. I like they guy, don't get me wrong, I like what he does for the community, but he is not a doctor anymore. As far as I can tell it was an observation based on, well nothing more than his observations. And he kind of acts unprofessional on forums which doesn't help. Because it came from an ex doctor everyone took that to the bank? It makes no sense to me at all.

 

[mands]

Well that's my point really, why exactly would you use a compounding pharmacy for a product already available on the market in a pre=mixed form. Fact is about the only TT that is NOT available direct from the manufacturer is TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION, which therefore requires compounding.

How about you show the labeled Testosterone ingredients on that vial?

I use a compounders pharmacy for my Test and Deca Script doc. They will do mixes as well.

mands

 

[jackmeoff1]

Tons of people on TRT are using a compounding pharmacy. This is nothing new.

Can APS be under dosed? Perhaps but I highgly doubt it. One thing I have noted is my blood work is consistently the same, so if they are under dosing they are consistent about it. that doesn't explain my friend using the SAME pharmacy who gets consistent values near 1600-1800.

 

[Dr JIM]

Not only that but I have to question his credibility. I like they guy, don't get me wrong, I like what he does for the community, but he is not a doctor anymore. As far as I can tell it was an observation based on, well nothing more than his observations. Because it came from an ex doctor everyone took that to the bank? It makes no sense to me at all.

Great then locate the evidence to refute his (Scally's) assertions bc one thing is clear your clinical exposure is ZIPPO and your comparing apples to oranges in this discussion.

And the fact you have no earthly idea what I'm referring to, is truly telling, lol!

 

[dmt31]

I use a compounders pharmacy for my Test and Deca Script doc. They will do mixes as well.

mands

shit you have a deca script, in the US? please do tell how you pulled that off, what do i need to say my ailments are brother?

 

[mands]

That is the pharmacy the clinic uses.

Hell my compounders Test and Deca looks less professional than this. Just a clear bottle, metal tear off and white label around it. lol

mands

 

[Burrr]

Jack, before you drop your current DR for UGL gear, why don't you hit him up for some gear from someone other than the APS pharmacy. See how your blood look 48 hours after pinning watson.
There are bound to be some variables from person to person, but you can see how you respond to a different lab and take those numbers to the bank.

 

[mands]

shit you have a deca script, in the US? please do tell how you pulled that off, what do i need to say my ailments are brother?

Yes in the US. Hormone replacement at it's best. I will PM you.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

I use a compounders pharmacy for my Test and Deca Script doc. They will do mixes as well.

mands

I'm aware of that but what has not been made clear is WHAT TT compound was used in this particular process. That's important bc the type of ester does make a difference in peak TT levels.

This fella is refuting the value of peak TT levels obtained around 50 hours when the transition to steady state levels is commencing AND on top of that he was also taking an AI and HCG.

The fact the TRT studies I'm referring to included those patients on TT alone and NOT an AI and HCG make his argument absolutely mute and fool hearty!