Police State Thread

[Mr. Deltoid]

I have a pack of big dogs my dog is dominant no other dog in the group will so much as look at him wrong.when he goes to the water bowl all the other big dogs go lay down out of the way one is even younger and bigger. That's how I want us , I don't want to tell others what to do just want them to leave us alone.

 

[Docd187123]

We should have the biggest baddest military to keep the peace it's called peace through dominance. I want to move past mutually assured destruction to a point where everyone knows if they fuck with us they'll be annihilated and we'll still be here

Through dominance huh? Dominance is partly the reason we're in this mess to begin with. Why not just peace through.....peace?

 

[Docd187123]

Of course I believe in entrepreneurship I'm a capitalist however we got a huge leap forward (private companies) with big government contracts in nasa mostly that jumped this technology ahead faster than it otherwise would have

So let the entrepreneurs spend their money. I'd rather that than have my tax dollars go towards developing new bombs to kill innocent civilians.

 

[TheGuy85]

Problem is when you fuck with other people and push them, they may be crazy enough to push back. Our peace through dominance doesn't work and costs too much money, and now people are trying to kill us. If anything military occupation escalates and agitates problems that weren't ours to begin with. It just invites people that weren't hostile towards the U.S. to become hostile due to our inability to stay out conflicts that aren't a direct threat to us.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

We wouldn't have to worry about these lunatics if we had just stayed the fuck out of the Middle East. Military intervention and occupation in countries like this invited attacks on United States. These crazy bastards didn't just randomly come up with an idea to come all the way to the United States to kill Americans because of our wealth or our "freedoms". Military occupation and intervention in the Middle East, along with supporting certain groups and supporting Israel brought secular Islamic terrorism from the Middle East to the United States.

These people want to rule the world it's in the Koran they want to slaughter nonbelievers so if you think this is just about the holy land your sadly mistaken. The western way of life goes against everything at the core of their religion they have already infiltrated most of Europe preaching this nonsense and the Saudis have mosques and madrasas set up all over this country. I'd love to debate more I respect all of your opinions but I really have to get back to work have a good day gentleman.

 

[kawilt]

So....What do you think Israel is going to do when eventually the proverbial "shit hits the fan". Think they'll choose the "Sampson option"? Do they have a choice?

 

[TheGuy85]

These people want to rule the world it's in the Koran they want to slaughter nonbelievers so if you think this is just about the holy land your sadly mistaken. The western way of life goes against everything at the core of their religion they have already infiltrated most of Europe preaching this nonsense and the Saudis have mosques and madrasas set up all over this country. I'd love to debate more I respect all of your opinions but I really have to get back to work have a good day gentleman.

You need to read tafsir to understand what you may have thought you read in the Qur'an and you also need to understand the sunnah. Slaughtering all disbelievers is a distortion. If this were true early Muslims wouldn't have entered treaties with various tribes and allowed disbelievers to live amongst them unmolested. I have had this debate so many times I am tired of having it but mainstream salafi Islam wants to call people to Islam so that they embrace the religion. Randomly slaughtering disbelievers who have no idea what Islam entails is not an Islamic concept.

A lot of what you may have read like "kill them where you see them (the kafirun)" was a reference to the early pagans that occupied Mecca. They were persecuting the Muslims of the region and killing them. When they went to make pilgrimage the pagans reacted violently. So when the Muslims invaded Mecca the polytheists would run to the Kabaa which was a holy place, and the Muslims were afraid of spilling their blood in this area. So a verse came down that assured the Muslims that it was lawful to spill the blood of these people that took up arms against you.

 

[Docd187123]

These people want to rule the world it's in the Koran they want to slaughter nonbelievers so if you think this is just about the holy land your sadly mistaken. The western way of life goes against everything at the core of their religion they have already infiltrated most of Europe preaching this nonsense and the Saudis have mosques and madrasas set up all over this country. I'd love to debate more I respect all of your opinions but I really have to get back to work have a good day gentleman.

So why hasn't terrorism been much of an issue until 9/11? If these people want to take over the world when do they plan on starting? Islam was founded around the year ~620 or so. They've had almost 1400 years to slaughter and rule us and we just began to notice it September 11, 2001? That's quite a coincidence.

 

[flenser]

I stand with the nation of Israel it's funny how more out right leftist wouldn't the nation of Israel protects homosexuals , it protects women's freedoms , it's the only nation in the middle east that protects everyone's right to be who they are without threats of violence or being stoned , beaten. I stand with Israel!

You aren't an elected US law maker, and are free to stand with whatever organization you like. Ted Cruise IS an elected US law maker, and is allowing a foreign government to dictate his actions within the US government. By definition that's treason. It doesn't matter that 75% of Congress is doing the same thing, except that it lets them be traitors with impunity.

I don't know why anyone who calls himself a libertarian would support such behavior. Personally, I think your Islamophobia is interfering with you libertarian ideals and morals.

 

[TheGuy85]

The terrorist groups that have arisen today are the same type of people that popped up time and time again throughout history, the khawarij. They were the first deviant sect to pop up and they resemble the very terrorists that we see today. Throughout history the main Islamic body took up arms against them, fighting them until they gave up. They were people who acted upon their own desires and stated that spilling the blood of innocents was lawful and they pronounced takfir upon Muslims who committed major sins, and would murder them unlawfully. They rose up against the early caliphs and rulers of the Muslims and rebelled unlawfully. Muhammad called these people "the dogs of the hellfire". They prayed excessively and seemed to be the most devoted Muslims, however they made that which was unlawful lawful and distorted the religion. Jihad was declared upon these people and for 1400 years they have popped up and have had to be beaten back. It is a mistake to equate these people with the mainstream salfiyyah movement as the two groups are at war. It is hard for Americans to distinguish between these groups because they may seem very similar. Only people who are grounded in the religion can easily distinguish between these groups. The reason, as the sheikhs of the salafiyyah explain it, is that the khawarij and other deviant sects of Islamic groups have grown and became out of control because the main Islamic body has stopped waging jihad upon them. These terrorists (ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc.) and deviants groups have declared war upon the House of Saud and Saudi Arabia as a whole. The mainstream salafiyyah movement as well as Saudi Arabia has declared war upon them as well. Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Shiites and all other deviant groups are enemies of the mainstream Salafiyahh movement who aim at reforming Islam as a religion. People caught funding these groups in Saudi Arabia are incarcerated. The sheikhs in Saudi Arabia feel that the Saudi government and the royal family haven't been proactive enough at destroying these deviants sects.

My point is there are very different Muslims, ones that hate terrorists more than any American, because they believe these deviant sects are distorting the religion and destroying it. And they believe it is their duty as faithful Muslims to preserve the religion at all costs. They have no interests in attacking countries that are not hostile towards them. They do hate the western way of life because they believe it is full of sin a corruption, however due to the religious tolerance towards Islam they do not consider them enemies that are to be violently attacked. They are taught to spread the religion of Islam in a tolerant way by calling people to Islam and educating them about it. Any hatred they have towards the western way of life (which they believe is full of sin) is not meant to acted upon but rather they are told to engage disbelievers in a humble, respectful manner, in a way that they may encourage them to embrace the religion. Now when they preach and educate fellow Muslims, they do express extreme dislike and disapproval for the sinful behavior of disbelievers. They are taught not to befriend disbelievers, but they should make sincere attempts at calling disbelievers to the religion.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

You aren't an elected US law maker, and are free to stand with whatever organization you like. Ted Cruise IS an elected US law maker, and is allowing a foreign government to dictate his actions within the US government. By definition that's treason. It doesn't matter that 75% of Congress is doing the same thing, except that it lets them be traitors with impunity.

I don't know why anyone who calls himself a libertarian would support such behavior. Personally, I think your Islamophobia is interfering with you libertarian ideals and morals.

I hate anyone who treats women in such ways as they do in all of the Islamic countries. And anyone who calls anyone who doesn't worship their God an enemy and will behead that person simply for worshipping differently.

 

[Docd187123]

I hate anyone who treats women in such ways as they do in all of the Islamic countries. And anyone who calls anyone who doesn't worship their God an enemy and will behead that person simply for worshipping differently.

You are equating a minority view with the majority and you're not seeing the difference. It's like saying the westboro baptist church speaks for us as Americans.

 

[flenser]

I hate anyone who treats women in such ways as they do in all of the Islamic countries. And anyone who calls anyone who doesn't worship their God an enemy and will behead that person simply for worshipping differently.

Exactly my point. You allow your hatred to trump your ideals. A libertarian would choose libertarian means to address issues, while everything you propose concerning this one topic is authoritarian.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

So in Iran Saudi Arabia , Yemen ,Pakistan , Palestine And there are others I'm sure women are treated as equals can go out without a man or a burqua go to school vote etc. And fags have rights and are persecuted in no way shape or form?

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

Exactly my point. You allow your hatred to trump your ideals. A libertarian would choose libertarian means to address issues, while everything you propose concerning this one topic is authoritarian.

I couldn't disagree more , I don't want to go tell these people how to live I only want to protect the US and our interests. I am libertarian you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights . I have said I don't want to be the world's policemen I want to protect out shores and our interests. I want the government out of our lives and an end to the senseless drug policy! I want every American taxed at the same rate a flat percentage so they can't pit us against one another. I want every man treated the same you break this law you get this time or fine. I wan the penal code and tax code so simple a child can understand it.
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[Docd187123]

So in Iran Saudi Arabia , Yemen ,Pakistan , Palestine And there are others I'm sure women are treated as equals can go out without a man or a burqua go to school vote etc. And fags have rights and are persecuted in no way shape or form?

You seem awfully confused here. You worry about the rights of homosexuals yet refer to them as fags? If this isn't ironic lol

 

[Docd187123]

I couldn't disagree more , I don't want to go tell these people how to live I only want to protect the US and our interests. I am libertarian you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights . I have said I don't want to be the world's policemen I want to protect out shores and our interests. I want the government out of our lives and an end to the senseless drug policy! I want every American taxed at the same rate a flat percentage so they can't pit us against one another. I want every man treated the same you break this law you get this time or fine. I wan the penal code and tax code so simple a child can understand it.
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If you don't want to tell them how to live then why bring up treatment of women unless you're trying to change the treatment? How does the treatment of women in certain countries help protect the US and her interests?

 

[flenser]

I couldn't disagree more , I don't want to go tell these people how to live I only want to protect the US and our interests. I am libertarian you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights . I have said I don't want to be the world's policemen I want to protect out shores and our interests. I want the government out of our lives and an end to the senseless drug policy! I want every American taxed at the same rate a flat percentage so they can't put us against one another. I want every man treated the same you break this law you get this time or fine. I wan the penal code and tax code so simple a child can understand it.
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And you support a US elected official working for a foreign government because you "stand with" that government. I give up. You have some kind of cognitive dissonance. Some would call it double think. Your posts contradict each other completely.

 

[Mr. Deltoid]

You seem awfully confused here. You worry about the rights of homosexuals yet refer to them as fags? If this isn't ironic lol

I'm not confused at all I think their mental defects the whole idea goes against nature if you ask me but I believe everyone has a right to live their life without persecution. So I'm not politically correct and I offend people but I could give a shit. I believe everyone is flawed and everyone has rights that should never be infringed.

 

[Docd187123]

I'm not confused at all I think their mental defects the whole idea goes against nature if you ask me but I believe everyone has a right to live their life without persecution. So I'm not politically correct and I offend people but I could give a shit. I believe everyone is flawed and everyone has rights that should never be infringed.

Hahahaha so bc someone enjoys sexual activity with someone of the same sex they, by your definition, have mental defects and are flawed people. Wow, just wow.

How can homosexuality go against nature when according to this there are about 1500 species of living organisms that practice homosexuality? Is nature flawed too?


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