I can't do it without going full retard on chicken and tuna. I'm open for suggestions if yall can tell me how to get more protein out of 3k cals
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Less carbs. That protien ratio isnt enough to preserve what you have.
OdieM
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I can tell you this, if your cycle is anything like mine you will be tossing your meal plan. Tren is gonna make you EAT son.
The only carbs I eat are the damn rice and a banana here and there
In exchange for a proper amount of protien of course.
Rice and bananas don't build or maintain muscle tissue.
I've sliced and diced this meal plan a bit. At a mere 3k cals I believe I'm getting just about the maximum amount of protein out of this diet as to be expected.
Of course if I went full tuna, chicken and shake I would get maybe 50-80g more and still stay with the boundaries. No more I would wager
Of course if I went full tuna, chicken and shake I would get maybe 50-80g more and still stay with the boundaries. No more I would wager
No but it keeps my weary ass in the game
I remember way back Huck AND I strongly urged you to not short change yourself on protein. Only when you finally came around did you see the merit in what were telling you.
Cutting protein now will prove to be mistake, especially if you decide lighter weight and higher reps will work at this time also - something i see people do as well. They get depleted work at less intensity and do nothing but fuck up their muscles and lose size AND strength.
Cutting fat is about staying strong between the ears as much as anything, your discipline must be as intense as your training.
HuckingFuge
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protein you figure in first and foremost, than fat, and lastly carbs. example for you,
450g protein = 1800 calories
150g fat = 1350 calories
30g carbs = 120 calories
total calories = 3270 calories
what seems to be the issue?
450g protein = 1800 calories
150g fat = 1350 calories
30g carbs = 120 calories
total calories = 3270 calories
what seems to be the issue?
The protein count in your example is one of two things. Entirely from powder or tuna/fish. That would be the only way to fit that in
This is exactly what what im at for macros. With very minimal cardio in the beginning and one buffet per week i just weighed 256. Have not dropped a single pound or rep in any working sets.
Ya know the more I think about it and see how im reacting to gear the more I wonder if overtraining is really just a myth at least on gear.
Most my knowledge and experience in training revolves around a natural approach because thats what I have always been. Until now my 3rd cycle im seeing things that make me wonder if im really getting all I can out of my body.
I have been training arms twice per week for about 14 weeks now and when im on cycle the recovery process is so much faster that im not so sure typical signs of overtraining even occur. Could just be me being tired or rundown due to work. Im adding way more sets and a volume approach not so much focused on strength. Im seeing promising signs impending muscle growth is coming. Stretching the tape again and this is because im doing extra work for my arms. I haven't extended the approach to chest, back or shoulders but I wonder if I could see the same increases.
Im firm in my belief that a strength training approach you certainly could overtrain because the cns isnt as efficient as the muscles recovery process. Its interesting to me nonetheless.
Just a random thought today
Strength training, for the big compound lifts at least, is usually based around relatively higher intensities and lower volume although there are many different ways to go about it. Bodybuilding work is usually more about the volume than intensity
By intensity I'm referring to the percentage of your 1RM not how much effort one puts in the gym.
Both volume and intensity can cause overtraining. Example of intensity causing over training would be the westside method. Louie says to switch your main lift every 2-3wks otherwise you'll stall and eventually over train. Example of volume causing overtraining is the Bulgarian method of training, Smolov, GVT etc.
The issue isn't so much what you're training for but how you approach it. Volume induced overtraining though is much harder to recover from than intensity induced over training. You may not see it as often with BBers who do volume workouts bc let's say you do 6-8differemt lifts on chest day for example. Many of those exercises will end up being done with such a low intensity that the volume alone isn't enough to cause the overtraining. When your doing reps of 15 or more, working TUT, working towards the oump, etc these are not all that stressful until you really start pushing weight on them. But make no mistake, overtraining does exist. I've experienced it both on and off cycle and it sucks ass big time. It's just wasted training time bc it needed to spend a few weeks recovering when I could've spent those weeks progressing. I've also experienced it natty. Live and learn I guess. At least now I know what it feels like and know when it's coming on so I can avoid it much easier.
So here's the deal.
I cut calories from 5500 to now 3100. Almost in HALF. Im thinning alot. No cardio yet. And im GAINING weight???
Weighed in at 260 this morning. With only coffee and a banana in my belly. Thats up 3-4 lb in 2 days. Im speechless. What could be the reason for this?
No question im thinning out. Lost some water weight and carbs are nonexistent in my diet EXCEPT for a serving of rice with lunch. 12-15 hour days and 1.5-2 hour lifting sessions. TONS of daily activity and only about 5 hours sleep. How could I be gaining weight?
To be clear my goals are to harden as much MASS as I can whether I lose weight or not. Ideally I think I should be LOSING not GAINING. Dont get it. Advice from the experienced plz
Such a drastic drop in calories is stressful on the body. It causes cortisol to go up which along with aldosterone will cause water retention. Once you do a good carb up/refeed day or go back to normal eating habits the water will come off. The water gain can certainly mask fat loss by increasing scale weight but you would still be losing fat if your diet was on point. Usually this is one of the most likely culprits.
Nice response! I used to drive myself in to sickness when I was natty. That was always the first sign of overtraining. At least on gear I find it very difficult to reach that point. At least I don't believe I have yet.
His protein intake is more than sufficent to maintain muscle mass on a cut. Especially if he's running tren. ESPECIALLY if on tren lol.
Rice and bananas don't build muscle correct but they do maintain it. Carbs are anti catabolic. They prevent the body from seeking stored amino acids as fuel which would come from your organs or muscle. Bananas, and fruit/fructose in general, are pretty good too bc they replenish liver glycogen exceedingly well. When you begin to use glycogen in the liver as an energy source it is almost always accompanied with catabolism.
Precisely. Gear increases the workload you're able to handle without overtraining bc it if teases protein synthesis and decrease glucocorticoid activity/catabolism. It also helps with recovery through several other mechanisms I believe n
FuriousWO
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One way to get this in would be to have:
6 small meals a day, each with 50-60g protein
2 protein shakes a day (2 scoops each, one post workout and one before bed)
This would put you right around 450g everyday.
Adding that 6th meal to replace your shake meal is key.
HuckingFuge
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what no whole eggs, eye of round steak, top sirloin, 90/10 hamburger? WTF!
do not limit yourself to tuna and fish.
Beef comes in at 70cals an ounce. There is NO room for that in 3000cals. None.what no whole eggs, eye of round steak, top sirloin, 90/10 hamburger? WTF!
Look at my meal plan and tell me where there's room for that. I'm already at the cleanest highest protein intake that a 3k call diet will allow. Beef has no part sadly.
My rice is the only source of carbs and only takes up a measly 160 cals out of the plan. Usually 1 or 2 bananas. A banana is 100 cals. So a whopping 360 cals daily of some thing OTHER than protein. That means the rest is ALL protein.
Chicken comes in at 35 cals an ounce and fish even better at 25 cals an ounce. These are the two options other than powder. Beef has no place in this diet
