Djw10711
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I have been lifting for about four years now and my progress has plateaued. I was considering a simple test cycle and nolvadex PCT and possibly and estrogen inhibitor during the cycle?
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Frank the tank 456
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Got stats??? Body weight? Stuff like that. Age??? Mite want to introduce yourself too...
Djw10711
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I apologize. I'm new to forums too. I'm James. 29. 5' 9" 179 pounds.
Djw10711
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I started exercising while I was paying a legal obligation with my time if you know what I mean and I stuck with it and it's turned my life around. So I may be odd about commonly used terminology etc.
Frank the tank 456
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Ahh... I meant in the new member introduction thread, but that's ok bud
well, I'm fairly new to AAS myself. I'm currently running a test only cycle. Pretty basic but making great gains. I'm a big fan of bulking. What are your goals? What's your diet? What's your training like? BTW, you definitely want on AI on hand ready to go!!!
Frank the tank 456
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No worries bud. Just did ten long ones myself...
Djw10711
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I workout 6 days a week. Chest and upper back day one shoulders and arms day 2 and legs and lower back day 3. I repeat that then a day off. My diet is pretty good actually I only clean no butter no sugar hi carb hi protein. I'd like to be like a solid 205. my basic goal is to build mass
Frank the tank 456
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That diet sounds good. No sugar or butter. I wish I could do that. The best advice I got for you is what all the vets here at meso told me, TEST ONLY for the first cycle. I'm glad I did it like this too. I knew exactly where my sides were coming from. Again, GET THAT AI BEFORE YOU START! Gyno is not fun. Also, read up on how to dose your AI. Try to get labs to know what levels are. What's your PCT looking like?
Djw10711
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I was going to use nolvadex or chlomed possibly both.
Frank the tank 456
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That sounds good. People have differant ways to dose there clomid and nolva. "Standard Practice" is clomid 100 100 50 50 and nolva is 40 40 20 20. To each there own tho. I'm no expert and I'm basing mine off what I learned from some vets who have 10 to 15 cycles under their belts. If you read and research here at meso you will ALOT!!!
Djw10711
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Yeah that's what I'm doing. So how is it that I go about properly introducing myself?
Frank the tank 456
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There's an introduction section on the forums. Stick around meso and you'll find some good advice and good peeps.
Djw10711
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Thanks dude.
I'm pretty hesitant to agree with someone jumping on AAS. Consider posting up pics, bodyfat and things like that. I'm of the opinion you might consider figuring out this "plateau" thing first. In some cases this could come down to your diet, but also your training. Like you aren't growing? more food usually. Aren't getting much stronger? well it could be food, but also your progression system or even what you are doing entirely. Could be a combination etc. Just one of those things where to know more about you it would help to give proper advice.
Progress tends to get more difficult the longer you train, but there is usually a way to continually progress, even if it is slower, without going to steroids first. The benefit is you will be better equipped to make progress in the future, and make better use of aids when you do use them.
Progress tends to get more difficult the longer you train, but there is usually a way to continually progress, even if it is slower, without going to steroids first. The benefit is you will be better equipped to make progress in the future, and make better use of aids when you do use them.
Its been good to a lot of us brother. Teaches you to respect yourself
Djw10711
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Thank you seoinage for the solid advice. I train 6 days a week my diet is solid. High protein high carb no junk at all. I supplement with protein creatine daily multi and I use pre workout because I work 50 plus hours a week. Anything else that I could tell you that would help you give me good advice?
Gojiraz
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Hello James!
Here is my input, I think what separates the average AS user from elite user is not only understanding the drugs and his/her own body, but the ability to anticipate effects and adapt accordingly. Sure you can find general protocols and follow them (which is what you should do to start) but it is important to increase/decrease dosages, add or remove compounds to achieve the most out of a cycle; and of course this will improve with each consecutive cycle. While I am no pro, and a newbie myself, I see the importance of looking past a sheet of paper with dosage protocols. My point is this: no one can prepare you for a better cycle than yourself (also compound(s) will vary depending on your goal(s)). Hence doing as much research as possible, and giving yourself all the tools you need/may need is key. For example, I had a mild gyno going through middleschool-highschool, thus I knew estrogen/prolactin might be an issue if I did a cycle. So I made sure to be run aromasin throughout the cycle at a higher dose, and even tried to time its intake to correspond when I predicted I was having the highest aromization. Now while I found this necessary for me, there are plenty of people who can run AS's with little to no AI's and sometimes no PCT what so ever. So I'd suggest purchasing even things you only "might" need, and if you don't end up needing it, you can hold on to them for a future cycle or sell them to another user (might be able to even make a profit).
I found reading William Llewellyn’s, "ANABOLICS", helped me a lot. I'm sure you can find a PDF online, but if you can't you can PM me with your email and I can send you a digital copy of the 2009 edition. Also some test should definitely help with those 50 hour work weeks, just make sure to be getting sleep whenever possible. Sleep on the clock when the boss isn't looking and just tell your girl there is not time for sex when gains are on the line, lol.
Here is my input, I think what separates the average AS user from elite user is not only understanding the drugs and his/her own body, but the ability to anticipate effects and adapt accordingly. Sure you can find general protocols and follow them (which is what you should do to start) but it is important to increase/decrease dosages, add or remove compounds to achieve the most out of a cycle; and of course this will improve with each consecutive cycle. While I am no pro, and a newbie myself, I see the importance of looking past a sheet of paper with dosage protocols. My point is this: no one can prepare you for a better cycle than yourself (also compound(s) will vary depending on your goal(s)). Hence doing as much research as possible, and giving yourself all the tools you need/may need is key. For example, I had a mild gyno going through middleschool-highschool, thus I knew estrogen/prolactin might be an issue if I did a cycle. So I made sure to be run aromasin throughout the cycle at a higher dose, and even tried to time its intake to correspond when I predicted I was having the highest aromization. Now while I found this necessary for me, there are plenty of people who can run AS's with little to no AI's and sometimes no PCT what so ever. So I'd suggest purchasing even things you only "might" need, and if you don't end up needing it, you can hold on to them for a future cycle or sell them to another user (might be able to even make a profit).
I found reading William Llewellyn’s, "ANABOLICS", helped me a lot. I'm sure you can find a PDF online, but if you can't you can PM me with your email and I can send you a digital copy of the 2009 edition. Also some test should definitely help with those 50 hour work weeks, just make sure to be getting sleep whenever possible. Sleep on the clock when the boss isn't looking and just tell your girl there is not time for sex when gains are on the line, lol.
Djw10711
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Thank you for taking the time to reply to me and your advice is valued and appreciated.
viking23
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You guys should pay the couple dollars for the E book or hard copy of Williams book! Not many people are willing to put the cross hairs on there chest and openly discuss and help try to enlighten the public as well as users on steroids. So when someone does you should support them as they in a way are supporting you and your lifestyle.
Just my opinion though. However, I'm sure the 10-50 dollars won't break the bank!
Just my opinion though. However, I'm sure the 10-50 dollars won't break the bank!
Hoistbro
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That "long vacation" is a good way to get into fitness haha
